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re: Lone Survior was a good movie but ending is total BS (spoilers)
Posted on 1/14/14 at 12:38 pm to DeltaDoc
Posted on 1/14/14 at 12:38 pm to DeltaDoc
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For some reason, and I cannot put my finger on it, Luttrell is starting to rub me the wrong way...I cannot tell if it is untrustworthiness, or it may be as simple as general awkwardness that he has been and continues to be thrust into the spotlight over this story...if it is the later, shame on me;
Glad I'm not the only one. It may be because he seems so mopey in interviews, or how he snaps at people at times when he takes offense to their questions.
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Posted on 1/14/14 at 12:40 pm to Carson123987
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wait, maybe this is a comedic stereotype, but aren't Israel's (or someone's) regular soldiers like our special forces?
No. Not even close.
I don't have recent numbers, but a few years back the NATO countries, other than the U.S. spent about 2/3, combined, of what we spent - but were buying about 1 tenth of the combat power. It was effectively a parade field force. Any number of third world countries could successfully oppose NATO, if the U.S. did not participate.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 1:13 pm to CBLSU316
I bet you've never bloused a boot. You probably still mash zits. Hey kid, run along, we are having an adult discussion here.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 1:17 pm to boxcarbarney
I know he was diagnosed with PTSD, but after shite he went through, who wouldn't be? I'd guess he has a pretty healthy case of survivor's guilt to go along with his physical injuries, too. I wouldn't want to have to be in his boots.
On the other hand, he didn't have to write a book or sell the rights Hollywood. I'm sure he's contractually obligated to do the pressers and interviews, but that's his own doing. He could have chosen to just collect his disability payments and lead a quiet life on his family's ranch in Texas.
On the other hand, he didn't have to write a book or sell the rights Hollywood. I'm sure he's contractually obligated to do the pressers and interviews, but that's his own doing. He could have chosen to just collect his disability payments and lead a quiet life on his family's ranch in Texas.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 1:38 pm to White Roach
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I'd guess he has a pretty healthy case of survivor's guilt to go along with his physical injuries, too
He goes over this in the Anderson Cooper interview..He wishes he would have died there too
Posted on 1/14/14 at 1:38 pm to White Roach
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I know he was diagnosed with PTSD, but after shite he went through, who wouldn't be? I'd guess he has a pretty healthy case of survivor's guilt to go along with his physical injuries, too. I wouldn't want to have to be in his boots.
On the other hand, he didn't have to write a book or sell the rights Hollywood. I'm sure he's contractually obligated to do the pressers and interviews, but that's his own doing. He could have chosen to just collect his disability payments and lead a quiet life on his family's ranch in Texas.
I comletely understand that his experiences changed him, probably for the worse. But, as was mentioned earlier, there's something about him that just irks me.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 1:45 pm to White Roach
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survivor's guilt
He not only has survivors guilt, but also feels that he's a coward. When Mikey was in the process of dying after making the call, he started screaming for Marcus to help him and he couldn't. It got to the point that Marcus say Indian style and put his hands over his ears. He says he's a coward for dropping his gun in a fight and doesn't forgive himself for it.
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He could have chosen to just collect his disability payments and lead a quiet life on his family's ranch in Texas.
He's made it clear that he wrote the book to carry the memory of his friends and to tell the story of how they bravely gave their lives. I don't think he was prepared for the celebrity that was to come with it
Posted on 1/14/14 at 3:51 pm to Black
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He's made it clear that he wrote the book to carry the memory of his friends and to tell the story of how they bravely gave their lives. I don't think he was prepared for the celebrity that was to come with it
lol ok, Why sell it to hollywood then?
Posted on 1/14/14 at 4:40 pm to Mystery
The celebrity came with writing the book.
I have a question for the military guys here though....
When they move to try to make the peak and establish comms, and come to find it was a false summit, should that have been something that should've been picked up on their map?
The whole false summit may be Hollywood embellishment, I don't remember if that was mentioned in the book. But even so, is it something that could be identified on a map?
I have a question for the military guys here though....
When they move to try to make the peak and establish comms, and come to find it was a false summit, should that have been something that should've been picked up on their map?
The whole false summit may be Hollywood embellishment, I don't remember if that was mentioned in the book. But even so, is it something that could be identified on a map?
Posted on 1/14/14 at 6:04 pm to Black
Or how about leave the strong young male tied up and let the old man go with the kid? Or how about take them with you til you get comm then let them go? So much fail.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 6:05 pm to Black
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When they move to try to make the peak and establish comms, and come to find it was a false summit, should that have been something that should've been picked up on their map?
If you can read a map worth a frick. You'd be surprised. I haven't seen the movie though. Did that happen during the firefight? Cause if I'm in the middle of a gunfight I might just try to run up the nearest hill to try to establish comm. If not then about 30 seconds of map analysis should make you realize where the real peak is.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 6:21 pm to Black
They had a pre-planned route to follow from the LZ to the overwatch position they selected at Bagram. The route had three waypoints, with the third being their objective (I believe. Maybe the overwatch position was a fourth waypoint).
After fastroping down, they checked in with either an AC-130 or MC-130. I believe that was their only communication after being on the ground. I'd think SOP for these guys would be to give a sitrep every couple of hours and/or at the waypoints, but I'm no SEAL. Maybe they were used to being out of radio contact because of the mountainous terrain, but I'd assume that's why the were also carrying a satellite phone. If that were me, I'd want higher to know where to find me. But again, I'm no SEAL.
As far as map reading skills go, anyone with any wilderness navigation ability can look at a map and recognize that the closely spaced contour lines represent a steep gradient. Who knows what scale their maps were, and with the various peaks, sub peaks, ridges and drainages, it may have been difficult to quickly determine where they needed to go to get radio signal.
In another SEAL debacle earlier in the war (Takut Ghar) a SEAL called Virginia Beach on a satellite phone because they couldn't get through to Bagram by radio.
After fastroping down, they checked in with either an AC-130 or MC-130. I believe that was their only communication after being on the ground. I'd think SOP for these guys would be to give a sitrep every couple of hours and/or at the waypoints, but I'm no SEAL. Maybe they were used to being out of radio contact because of the mountainous terrain, but I'd assume that's why the were also carrying a satellite phone. If that were me, I'd want higher to know where to find me. But again, I'm no SEAL.
As far as map reading skills go, anyone with any wilderness navigation ability can look at a map and recognize that the closely spaced contour lines represent a steep gradient. Who knows what scale their maps were, and with the various peaks, sub peaks, ridges and drainages, it may have been difficult to quickly determine where they needed to go to get radio signal.
In another SEAL debacle earlier in the war (Takut Ghar) a SEAL called Virginia Beach on a satellite phone because they couldn't get through to Bagram by radio.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 6:48 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Or how about leave the strong young male tied up and let the old man go with the kid? Or how about take them with you til you get comm then let them go? So much fail.
Oh I agree. I think they should've marched them with them until they established comms and then let them go. Though in the book they were concerned that the Taliban would come looking for them when someone noticed they or their goats were missing. Which was part of the thought process of letting them go.
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Did that happen during the firefight?
No, happened after they released the herders. Mikey wanted to make the peak of the mountain they were on, but when they got to it, it was a false summit.
ETA: but again, idk if that really was the case.
This post was edited on 1/14/14 at 6:50 pm
Posted on 1/14/14 at 6:50 pm to White Roach
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In another SEAL debacle earlier in the war (Takut Ghar) a SEAL called Virginia Beach
Was that with Robert's Ridge?
Posted on 1/14/14 at 7:22 pm to Black
Yes, during Operation Anaconda, March 2002.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 7:25 pm to White Roach
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Operation Anaconda
I thought that was a Ranger thing?
Posted on 1/14/14 at 7:34 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
DEVGRU was set to set up over watch before the operation stepped off. Neil Roberts was the first man to lose his life in support of Anaconda.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 7:35 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
It was a SEAL team that was being inserted. Neal Roberts was the SEAL that fell out the Chinook when it tried to avoid the rpg.
Rangers were the QRF that went in to get him
Rangers were the QRF that went in to get him
Posted on 1/14/14 at 7:35 pm to White Roach
It's Takur Ghar....not Takut. But, again, you're no SEAL......
Posted on 1/14/14 at 7:40 pm to offshoreangler
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DEVGRU was set to set up over watch before the operation stepped off.
Maybe they should take a break from this overwatch/OP thing.
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