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re: Lone Survior was a good movie but ending is total BS (spoilers)
Posted on 1/14/14 at 7:42 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Posted on 1/14/14 at 7:42 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Guess what....that mission also had comms issues
Posted on 1/14/14 at 7:47 pm to Black
I don't know the particulars of that mission at all, but I do know that SEALs like to work in small groups. Well, walking around the mountains of Afghanistan is infantry type work no matter how many tabs or tridents you get to wear. I know we all like to say that 1 SEAL=10 Taliban but numbers are numbers and math is a real thing. So in real life 4 SEALs don't equal 10-15 taliban. Especially when everyone has an automatic weapon.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 7:52 pm to offshoreangler
Sorry about that. "R" and "T" are next door neighbors on my keyboard. In addition to not being a SEAL, I'm not a typist either.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 8:14 pm to boxcarbarney
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I comletely understand that his experiences changed him, probably for the worse. But, as was mentioned earlier, there's something about him that just irks me.
Something about him irks me as well.. It's just so hard to believe that he is the only one who survived.. I'm in no way taking away from what those men did out there and in no way downplaying Luttrell.. Just seems a bit fishy. Why did he leave his teammates is all I'm getting at. No telling what I would have done because I'm definitely no hero
Posted on 1/14/14 at 8:20 pm to octeauxbersveryown
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Why did he leave his teammates is all I'm getting at.
They were dead. He was shot up and alone. I would have left them too.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 8:23 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
I think the US ground forces were from the 101st and 10th Mountain. SF and Delta had established several overwatch positions around the upper and lower Shahikot (spelling?) Valley before the operation kicked off. The Rangers may have entered the fight in the valley after the initial contact. I don't remember off the top of my head.
The SEALs (Mako 30 - 5 or 6 SEALs and an AF Combat Controller) decided they'd insert right on top of Takur Ghar, rather than approaching on foot. As they were landing, the helicopter got shot up and Neil Roberts either jumped or fell (he was first man on the ramp) as the helo tried to abort. They hard landed, loaded into a second helo and went back for Roberts. Second helo got shot up too, but was able to fly away after unloading Mako 30. The SEALs broke contact (they had two badly wounded and Roberts was still missing), but left AF TSgt John Chapman on the ridge. Then the Ranger QRF helo was shot down on the ridge. They held and eventually defeated the enemy insurgents on the ridge with the help of AF close air support.
The SEALs (Mako 30 - 5 or 6 SEALs and an AF Combat Controller) decided they'd insert right on top of Takur Ghar, rather than approaching on foot. As they were landing, the helicopter got shot up and Neil Roberts either jumped or fell (he was first man on the ramp) as the helo tried to abort. They hard landed, loaded into a second helo and went back for Roberts. Second helo got shot up too, but was able to fly away after unloading Mako 30. The SEALs broke contact (they had two badly wounded and Roberts was still missing), but left AF TSgt John Chapman on the ridge. Then the Ranger QRF helo was shot down on the ridge. They held and eventually defeated the enemy insurgents on the ridge with the help of AF close air support.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 8:27 pm to White Roach
Ok. I remember reading about that now.
This is exactly what got the Lutrell's team killed. Taking a helicopter ride instead of walking in. Or at least a huge part of it.
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The SEALs (Mako 30 - 5 or 6 SEALs and an AF Combat Controller) decided they'd insert right on top of Takur Ghar, rather than approaching on foot.
This is exactly what got the Lutrell's team killed. Taking a helicopter ride instead of walking in. Or at least a huge part of it.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 8:39 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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They were dead. He was shot up and alone. I would have left them too.
Haven't finished reading the book. But I know he gives vivid descriptions of their deaths.... Did he watch them die?
This post was edited on 1/14/14 at 8:40 pm
Posted on 1/14/14 at 8:44 pm to octeauxbersveryown
Because his shipmates were fricking dead and Luttrell was combat ineffective.
NSW almost certainly teaches it's members to never leave a fallen man behind if at all possible but it also doesn't teach stupidity.
NSW almost certainly teaches it's members to never leave a fallen man behind if at all possible but it also doesn't teach stupidity.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 8:48 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
What got his team killed had nothing to do with rotary insertion or extraction.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 8:50 pm to offshoreangler
Slow your role there high speed. Was just asking a question. Definitely was not asking why did he leave them when they were already dead.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 8:52 pm to offshoreangler
Hell, once they realized that Danny was left up top after they jumped down, they started trying to make their way back up to get him.
Which was somewhat portrayed in the movie
Which was somewhat portrayed in the movie
Posted on 1/14/14 at 8:54 pm to octeauxbersveryown
He was holding Danny when he caught his fatal round if I remember correctly. He and Axe were separated by a rpg blast, but after he saw the damage Axe took from a round to the head
He didn't see Mikey die, but he heard Mikey scream his name until he died
He didn't see Mikey die, but he heard Mikey scream his name until he died
Posted on 1/14/14 at 8:59 pm to Black
That's what I was missing. I wasn't sure how he wound up alone, but it was the rpg.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 9:04 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
You're mistaken about the Redwings insertion. There were two 160th SOAR MH-47s used that night. One simulated three or four insertions in the general area and one fastroped Luttrell and his teammates in a couple of miles from their objection. The hiked for five or six hours to get there.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 9:10 pm to White Roach
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You're mistaken about the Redwings insertion. There were two 160th SOAR MH-47s used that night. One simulated three or four insertions in the general area and one fastroped Luttrell and his teammates in a couple of miles from their objection. The hiked for five or six hours to get there.
Nah, I'm not mistaken. I'm aware they did random simulated insertions. The enemy knew about this tactic. They shouldn't have heloed in. They were advised not to by the Marines who originally planned the operation. Then the Night Stalker crew chief kicked the rope out of the helicopter and they had to back track to hide it. And 5 or 6 hours to cover 2 miles is a lot of time. The SEALs were burdened with heavy loads and the enemy was cruising with nothing but their weapons and some ammo. Add that to the fact that the SEALs were moving slowly to maintain silence. They would have stood a better chance had the walked in from much further.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 9:18 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Gotcha... In that case, I'm mistaken! And FYI, I wasnt trying to break your balls. I thought you were implying that Redwings inserted right on their objective, like Mako 30. My mistake.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 9:27 pm to White Roach
Sorry if I came off as a dick.
Here is a LINK if you want to read more. It was published in the Marine Corps Gazette. It's pretty dry though.
Here is a LINK if you want to read more. It was published in the Marine Corps Gazette. It's pretty dry though.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 9:33 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
No worries. TD has more than it's share of assholes and I don't want to be one of them. Thanks for the link, I'll check it out.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 9:38 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Just opened the link and saw Ed Darack's name. Have you read Victory Point? Any good?
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