re: Jon Bernthal refused to reprise Punisher role due to Disney's creative decisions

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that is way crazier than the "eliminate whitey and brainwash our kids into joining the LGBTXYZ+ crowd" theory.

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Yes because a corporation making bad decisions is way crazier than some insane right wing conspiracy

I think part of the issue is many media companies have decided that white men will always support them regardless and the losses they have taken have not been enough to make them change their mind. After all WB just outright scrapped several completed projects for tax write offs, many that included diversity characters. Sony will lose their pants on Madam Web but will write it off and investors won't see it truly effect their bottom line.

Some also assume it will take time to get a solid foothold i.e. streaming service platforms. They routinely lose money but companies keep pumping money into it because they believe rightfully or not that at some point it will turn a profit. Sony likely doesn't see the difference between Into the Spiderverse and Madam Web outside the box office totals.

I also feel cases of clear and deliberate race/gender swap get more media coverage than previous, making it feel like it happens more frequent than it actually does.

If I look at current movies released at my local theater I see many movies headline by white male characters with female love interest. Now granted some may have "woke" moments in it, but it certainly isn't some massive elimination of the straight white male from media.

The last few movies I saw in theater all featured straight white males in lead roles.

So yes, companies absolutely want to push more diversity and send a message. But this is a far cry from 1930s Germany where media very specifically targeted Jewish people as enemies of the state to radical the population against them.

just so i'm clear, is it your position there is no left wing ideological intent or motivation behind any of the DEI initiatives in Hollywood?

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Examples of legal and publicly available examples of DEI being required by entertainment groups:

-Disney has actual dashboards presented at shareholder meetings outlining their requirements to limit white men by requiring other populations to be included (gay, minorities and women)
-Hollywood giving outlines for DEI inclusion for films and awards
-Netflix outlining their content DEI requirements to greenlight any new content
-Virtually every major company in America thats publicly traded having DEI hiring requirements and goals as presented publicly to their shareholders and agreed to in writing as part of their websites and in most cases executive agreements

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this is why i dont see how any rational human can argue that it's just corporate laziness and poor writing. if anything, it's way MORE work for corporations to institute and implement all of the criteria that you listed above. corporate laziness would be just churning out more of the same types of movies that already made them billions of dollars and just keep making billions of dollars. it's completely illogical, to me at least, to argue that it's just lazy writing and a lazy attempt at finding new audiences while assuming they'd keep all the old audience as well.

i have no idea. did i say that somewhere? not sure what you're asking exactly.

You and others have said that there is a clear push by Hollywood to follow DEI standards that is pushing out white males from roles in film.

Therefore if that is the case, we should be able to see less representation in upcoming or current films. Is that the case?

If not, when can we expect to start to see this take effect?

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You and others have said that there is a clear push by Hollywood to follow DEI standards that is pushing out white males from roles in film.

Therefore if that is the case, we should be able to see less representation in upcoming or current films. Is that the case?

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not disagreeing with your take. most hollywood blockbusters that come out are still going to have white leads, for better or worse.

but disney, netflix, etc. are going to release a shite ton of original content that meets quotas while still casting the rock, ryan gosling, ryan reynolds, daniel craig,etc.for their big releases every year.

throw bones to their diversity overlords while making money on what actually makes money.

we're basically arguing Title IX here. Football, Baseball, and Basketball will make all the money but we can do these other projects over here.

i'm not decrying that at all. glad for the other opportunities. but don't get mad when i don't watch women's softball or field hockey.

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Also the current state of the MCU seems to have way more to do with over exposure, being stretched too thin, and no sense of true direction

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All of those to a degree but not having characters / actors people really want to see is hurting them.



The plan was to send the first generation Avengers out to pasture and replace them with the likes of Spidey, Captain Marvel, and Black Panther.


Sony holding the rights to Spidey and Chadwick Boseman’s death due to cancer fricked them hard. Captain Marvel / Brie Larson being very divisive has not helped matters.

They need to do one of several things…


1. Bring back someone written out, which is possible due to the multiverse storyline

2. Figure out a character which will have mainstream interest and find a big name actor willing to do that role, giving them the bank should it succeed

3. Finish off Phase 4 and let the MCU go fallow for a few years in order to get the bad taste out of people’s mouths




None of those are appealing to Disney because all of them will cost them a ton of money either in payouts to actors or lost revenue from films being cancelled.

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Read the first arc of Punisher Max.

He pretty much destroys a huge chunk of the New York mafia in one go at the 100th birthday party of a major Don where other families are in attendance.



Pretty sure he gets into the triple digits on killing white people in a single issue in that one.

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Yeah, but he didn't do that as a declaration of "anti-racism" ( ) so it doesn't count.

There was some shot pieces in DD that were better than most movies. The fight down the stairs. Kingpin quietly staring at art. A lot of beautiful cinematography.