re: Jon Bernthal refused to reprise Punisher role due to Disney's creative decisions

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I’m talking about the comics, not the films

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As was I.

I was saying those shoehorned characters were after the Disney acquisition of the comics side as well.

You could throw in Miss Marvel (KK) and making Captain Marvel the Avengers leader as well.

All from the comics after Disney assumed control.

Ironheart and NaziCap are both terrible. But honestly I didn't completely hate Jane Foster as Thor. Sure it got preachy at points, but I liked the idea of her having cancer and the hammer resetting her treatment each time, basically killing her. That is a really interesting concept that just wasn't executed the best.

I also REALLY hated Iceman being gay. I even hated how they handled it with Jean Grey basically outting him without his consent.

I never mind a writer creating something new to offer representation if it is well thought out and executed i.e. Miles Morales. I hate when writers instead want to use their platform to write fan fic and ignore everything to tell their story. We know the ones and typically they have non traditional hair color and piercings in weird places.

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For a role this big no it doesn’t you and multiple idiots here will easily believe some dumbass tweet on some rage bait site because you want to bitch and whine and act like some how this is oppression

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nobody is treating it as oppression.

we're calling out that people with ideological differences placed in positions of power through no discernable talent other than their race, gender, or sexuality like to take scalps of beloved properties.

they want to destroy what's come before them instead of making their own new product and letting their talents, ideas, and abilities stand for themselves.

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they want to destroy what's come before them instead of making their own new product and letting their talents, ideas, and abilities stand for themselves.

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No it’s called laziness that’s literally it that’s all there is to it. Acting like it’s some big plan is what makes you look like an idiots also nothing is confirmed here you’re literally getting worked up over a Rumour on a clickbait tie

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Acting like it’s some big plan is what makes you look like an idiots also nothing is confirmed here you’re literally getting worked up over a Rumour on a clickbait tie

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It's not a plan. It's a culture

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there is not a plan in place for all this is the most idiotic take on this thread..

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No pretending there is some plan in place is part of the idiocy. Unless the plan is to be lazy as frick and think that can cover up lazy attempts at writing or casting. If you want to argue that corporations have gone diversity hire out pure laziness sure but acting like it’s come grand conspiracy to push out whitey that’s just dumb

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acting like it’s come grand conspiracy to push out whitey that’s just dumb

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Well you’re officially uninformed or full of shite. That’s blatantly saying of the available talent, they want less white men.

You can put it behind diversity, underrepresented, whatever. But that’s saying that we have 60% of the population and of that 60%, 66% are males in the workforce. White males are the largest % of people in the workforce and you’re saying that you are going to put rules in place to make sure that they are less employable.


Call it what you want or say it's a good thing, but don’t lie to yourself. i have way more respect for somebody that admits they want less white dudes in hollywood than somebody who lies and says nobody wants that.

Well in terms of comics there is a clear plan.

Look at All New All Different Marvel. It was a large overarching plan to change many of its legacy characters with new and different heros; most noticable characters of minority status.

DC also rebooted their Trinity last year and introduced a new Batman, Wonder Woman, and Superman who were all minority status characters.

Those weren't flukes or weirdly timed overlap. It was a company wide directive by both companies in an effort to rebrand themselves as appealing to a new segment of readers.

Neither really worked.

Now where I disagree with others here is in regards to it being some super evil conspiracy to eliminate whitey and brainwash our kids into joining the LGBTXYZ+ crowd. I think it was both companies thinking their traditional fanbases will always support them and they could attract a new base in minority groups. Problem is these minority groups have repeatedly shown they simply do not care or feel obligated to support something just because the company crams representation into it.

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It's really weird to deny what's obviously happening and been happening for a while.

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It's just the usual evolution of a leftist.

Scream about problem A until solutions are offered.
Continue to scream until heavy handed solutions are offered.
Continue to scream until it's the norm.
Virtue signal over your victory until it becomes a point of mockery.
Scream about the mockery.
Try and act like there was never anything to mock.
Repeat as needed.

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Now where I disagree with others here is in regards to it being some super evil conspiracy to eliminate whitey and brainwash our kids into joining the LGBTXYZ+ crowd. I think it was both companies thinking their traditional fanbases will always support them and they could attract a new base in minority groups. Problem is these minority groups have repeatedly shown they simply do not care or feel obligated to support something just because the company crams representation into it.

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when you word it like that and make it sound like a kooky conspiracy theory, sure it sounds crazy. but are you really saying that there is no ideological intent behind the removal of strong, white, male heroes and the insertion of strong diverse female heroes? that it's all purely driven by profit motive? and that despite nearly a decade of evidence demonstrating that this is an ENORMOUS financial loser and utter failure, they continue to do it in hopes that it suddenly catches on and they start reaping financial windfalls with hordes of new minority fans getting onboard AND all the old fans returning?

that is way crazier than the "eliminate whitey and brainwash our kids into joining the LGBTXYZ+ crowd" theory.