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re: Jon Bernthal refused to reprise Punisher role due to Disney's creative decisions
Posted on 2/13/24 at 11:08 pm to DMagic
Posted on 2/13/24 at 11:08 pm to DMagic
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It’s unbelievable right? Disney would never substitute a gay diverse woman into a existing intellectual property
So we're getting mad at Disney for scrapping a concept that didn't work, and then retooling it and bringing beloved talent back on board?
And we're doing that based on what some random poster here assumed could be the direction it was going, based on nothing?
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Posted on 2/14/24 at 6:27 am to dawgfan24348
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this board
There it is
Posted on 2/14/24 at 6:28 am to Jay Are
Who’s mad? Who’s assuming? Who is we?
Posted on 2/14/24 at 7:42 am to Duke
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made fun of conservatives in another thread for being soft. and crying about everything. But in cases like this, I really get it. Just murdering the backstory of the character for DEI insertions. Do we hate the character? Must
As one of the resident “concerned moderates,” I hate most dei stuff but I don’t have to get involved in every thread. Sometimes it’s not that big a deal.
My main complaint is when they’re trying to purposely gut the original IP and wear its’ skin and dare you to say something about it.
The tougher thing about punisher as well is that the creator absolutely hated that the skull was adopted by military and law enforcement and thus was associated with “white supremacy” even though I’m pretty sure punisher killed waaaayyy more white people than anything else.
Watchmen did the same thing with Rorschach in the series.
Posted on 2/14/24 at 8:12 am to SoFla Tideroller
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Karen
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shite. We have to look at that living collection of skin blemishes again
I’m sure you’re perfect.
I think she is absolutely beautiful.
This post was edited on 2/14/24 at 8:15 am
Posted on 2/14/24 at 8:32 am to 3nOut
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though I’m pretty sure punisher killed waaaayyy more white people than anything else.
Read the first arc of Punisher Max.
He pretty much destroys a huge chunk of the New York mafia in one go at the 100th birthday party of a major Don where other families are in attendance.
Pretty sure he gets into the triple digits on killing white people in a single issue in that one.
Posted on 2/14/24 at 9:11 am to 3nOut
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They brought his wife back from the dead and retconned her to make it where all his anger was for naught because she was about to leave him and take his kid away because he was a white supremacist.
Absolutely amazing that those responsible didn't see how absolutely stupid and cringy this was.
Posted on 2/14/24 at 9:14 am to 3nOut
That honestly looks as tho it was written by a 16 year old girl who is angry her boyfriend broke up with her for a hotter girl.
Posted on 2/14/24 at 9:50 am to udtiger
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They brought his wife back from the dead and retconned her to make it where all his anger was for naught because she was about to leave him and take his kid away because he was a white supremacist
Holy Hell
I mean explain to me how this isn't a malicious destruction of an IP that someone doesn't like?
There's no way someone signed off on that change thinking it was going to drive additional sales.
Posted on 2/14/24 at 10:02 am to dawgfan24348
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falling for rage bait
Are you implying there is no reason for this board to be enraged over the DEI treatment in modern Hollywood? That we’re making it up?
Posted on 2/14/24 at 10:06 am to Proximo
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Are you implying there is no reason for this board to be enraged over the DEI treatment in modern Hollywood? That we’re making it up?
you hit the nail on the head with my biggest annoyance with these clowns. they'll act like we're so ridiculous and "triggered" for our irritation / disgust with Hollywood's clear DEI agenda, but then they'll also acknowledge its existence. sometimes on the same thread. so i guess the takeaway is that they expect us to acknowledge that the DEI agenda exists but not to be disgusted or angered by it? honestly i dont know.
Posted on 2/14/24 at 10:09 am to tide06
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I mean explain to me how this isn't a malicious destruction of an IP that someone doesn't like?
There's no way someone signed off on that change thinking it was going to drive additional sales.
You really can’t.
Marvel, or at least the lunatics running the asylum this week, decided that Punisher was an embarrassment because it was liked by people they don’t like.
Apparently they are happier with the 10 Muslim girls reading Ms Marvel but pissed at people buying Punisher books and merch.
Posted on 2/14/24 at 10:51 am to RollTide1987
I'm enthused that Kevin Feige seems to be getting re-engaged in the creative process.
Posted on 2/14/24 at 10:52 am to teke184
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Marvel, or at least the lunatics running the asylum this week, decided that Punisher was an embarrassment because it was liked by people they don’t like.
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Apparently they are happier with the 10 Muslim girls reading Ms Marvel but pissed at people buying Punisher books and merch.
something that's forgotten in this is that Disney bought Marvel in early 2010s and then immediately got to work detoxifying things and putting their own spin.
Kamala Kahn is a perfectly fine hero and i'm glad for anybody to have representation in comics. but it didn't come from actual demand or source material.
it was quite literally Disney getting their fingers in things after the fact and if there's any push back, they can just say "it's from the source material." yeah it's from the source material after Disney's DEI people got their hands on it and get to decide the narrative.
i don't mind random recastings, reimaginings and most race swaps for ficitional super heroes or mermaids. like i said earlier, just don't gut things and wear them as a skin to taunt people who liked the property you destroyed.
Posted on 2/14/24 at 10:59 am to 3nOut
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it was quite literally Disney getting their fingers in things after the fact and if there's any push back, they can just say "it's from the source material." yeah it's from the source material after Disney's DEI people got their hands on it and get to decide the narrative.
good point. pretty textbook case of what we mean when we refer to "gaslighting" by the Left Wing Media Industrial Complex.
Posted on 2/14/24 at 11:11 am to 3nOut
Sad part is that Marvel hadn’t gone full retard to that point, unlike DC who had replaced Question, Blue Beetle, and others with affirmative action legacies, often in concert with the time skip that was 52.
They didn’t go places like replacing Tony Stark with a black girl, Thor with a woman, and Cap being turned retroactively into a Hydra spy via cosmic retcon until after this.
They didn’t go places like replacing Tony Stark with a black girl, Thor with a woman, and Cap being turned retroactively into a Hydra spy via cosmic retcon until after this.
Posted on 2/14/24 at 11:25 am to 3nOut
Ok, so help me out here, because honestly I'm not going down to the comics book store to buy all the missing issues from Punisher's last run and Google is useless for this.
Where did Maria state she is leaving him because he was a white supremacists? People here keep jumping on that point, but I was under the impression she was planning on divorcing him because he had always been unstable.
Also Ms Marvel was created by an American-Palestine editor who was Muslim. She really wasn't some check box creation for more diversity. I feel like she is different from Riri Williams who very clearly was created purely to fit a status quo. Riri is a great example of what the complaint is here.
Where did Maria state she is leaving him because he was a white supremacists? People here keep jumping on that point, but I was under the impression she was planning on divorcing him because he had always been unstable.
Also Ms Marvel was created by an American-Palestine editor who was Muslim. She really wasn't some check box creation for more diversity. I feel like she is different from Riri Williams who very clearly was created purely to fit a status quo. Riri is a great example of what the complaint is here.
Posted on 2/14/24 at 11:30 am to teke184
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They didn’t go places like replacing Tony Stark with a black girl, Thor with a woman, and Cap being turned retroactively into a Hydra spy via cosmic retcon until after this.
all source material stuff dude. straight from the comics.
Ironheart (May 2016)
She-thor (October 2014)
Captain HydrAmerica (2016)
Perlmutter getting the figurative boot in 2019 and literal one in 2023 kinda sealed the deal. I think Perlmuter and Feige butted heads in the MCU, but it obviously worked out pretty well till they both outlived their usefulness after Endgame.
This post was edited on 2/14/24 at 11:39 am
Posted on 2/14/24 at 11:36 am to Proximo
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Are you implying there is no reason for this board to be enraged over the DEI treatment in modern Hollywood? That we’re making it up?
That is exactly what he argues in all these threads. Don’t believe your own eyes or Disney’s actual DEI policies—none of that is happening.
Posted on 2/14/24 at 11:36 am to ThoseGuys
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Where did Maria state she is leaving him because he was a white supremacists? People here keep jumping on that point, but I was under the impression she was planning on divorcing him because he had always been unstable.
i'll admit to embellishing that white supremacist part a bit myself. my bad as it's mixing real world implications with what happened in the comic books.
there wasn't much evidence that he was unstable beforehand as that's rewriting things a bit on Disney and Marvel's end. all comic books, movies, and the TV show depict him in a happy marriage before his family is murdered.
but Disney and the creator had said they didn't like the association of the Punisher logo with military and law enforcement and the "proximity" to WS. right around then they neutered him and brought his wife back just to say she was about to divorce him.
i admit that is a jump on my part.
This post was edited on 2/14/24 at 11:38 am
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