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re: How did the Taylor Swift concert movie pull off a PG-13 rating?
Posted on 3/16/24 at 6:35 pm to BluegrassBelle
Posted on 3/16/24 at 6:35 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Decided to fire it up tonight on Disney+. 40 minutes in and no fricks
Watch it last night with my daughter. She doesn’t really start swearing hard until her later albums.
This post was edited on 3/16/24 at 6:37 pm
Posted on 3/16/24 at 6:53 pm to STigers
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Watch it last night with my daughter. She doesn’t really start swearing hard until her later albums.
Which makes sense since those albums were being made in her mid-20s/early-30s.
I guess I just find the outrage over the language funny when I consider I was listening to rock, rap, and R&B full of all kinds of nefarious shite in my teens. I had a friend who got a little pearl clutchy over a recent newer artist who was a little edgy and I had to call her out knowing we were listening to Slick Rick’s Cocktails at the same age.
Posted on 3/16/24 at 6:59 pm to VoxDawg
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Love her or hate her, no one can say she doesn't leave it all on the stage. Nobody's accusing her of singing to a track, either.
I watched a couple of random sections and I have to admit she puts on a helluva show and kept her crowd extremely engaged over a very long show. Even as expensive as it is if someone likes her music they get a lot of show for the money.
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I just wish she wasn't experiencing some arrested development from her teens and 20s, seeking to influence her fans' voting preferences now that she's hit an independent streak as she regains agency over her career and her music.
I understand the sentiment but everyone who is remotely politically active tries to influence other people's opinions. If you gave a random Poliboard poster on either "team" the ability to influence millions of people vis-a-vis voting they would break their necks getting over to X, Tik Tok, and Youtube.
Posted on 3/16/24 at 7:20 pm to Obtuse1
Anyone with a platform will tend to use it. I really don’t blame them. Eddie Vedder is an example, but he’s relatively low key.
Posted on 3/16/24 at 8:46 pm to Displaced
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How did the Taylor Swift concert movie pull off a PG-13 rating?b
So I guess there’s no nipple
Posted on 3/16/24 at 10:10 pm to TejasHorn
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Kids should be listening to either Christian pop or Toby Keith.
No one should have to be subjected to Christian pop.
Posted on 3/16/24 at 10:29 pm to STigers
I'm by no means a fan of her music on an unconditional basis. More than anything, I appreciate who she is as a person. Left to her own devices, she'd stay at home on a random Saturday night and bake cookies with her cats.
1989 and Reputation were where I began to enjoy her stuff, but Evermore and Cardigans are largely unlistenable, IMO. Lover and this new one, Midnights are just okay, but I'm an almost-50 year old dude.
1989 and Reputation were where I began to enjoy her stuff, but Evermore and Cardigans are largely unlistenable, IMO. Lover and this new one, Midnights are just okay, but I'm an almost-50 year old dude.
Posted on 3/16/24 at 11:55 pm to VoxDawg
I don't like her politics but I don't have a problem with her at the same time. If I had a daughter under 13 I probably wouldn't want her listening to her music though if she cusses a lot.
Posted on 3/17/24 at 12:05 am to bcoop199
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If I had a daughter under 13 I probably wouldn't want her listening to her music though if she cusses a lot.
This is where I am with it. Her primary audience is little girls. I'm actually pretty shocked there are f-bombs in any of her songs. The chart posted on the previous page tells me I need to be paying more attention to which of her albums my kids may be listening to.
ETA: I seriously thought OP was trolling here. Pretty floored that she's actually that foul mouthed.
This post was edited on 3/17/24 at 12:11 am
Posted on 3/17/24 at 12:10 am to Obtuse1
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Woodstock
Monterey Pop (which produced one of the most iconic images in Rock)
Gimme Shelter
The TAMI show
The Last Waltz
The Song Remains the Same
Depeche Mode 101
Sign O the Times
Stop Making Sense
Live in Pompeii
Posted on 3/17/24 at 2:49 am to Obtuse1
This chart could be labeled "shittiness level of Taylor Swift albums". Her first three albums were really good. More cussing to hide the shittiness of the lyrics equates to shittier music.
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Posted on 3/17/24 at 4:58 am to CatsGoneWild
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Taylor swift is an idiot
What?
Posted on 3/17/24 at 6:58 am to Displaced
Cancel Disney plus.
We did over a year ago and our kids never ask for it.
We did over a year ago and our kids never ask for it.
Posted on 3/17/24 at 7:14 am to Displaced
Lol trailer swift makes trash music
Posted on 3/17/24 at 10:10 am to RobbBobb
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frick you, you fricking retard. I dont give a flying frick about your fricking political agenda. But fricking little kids is a bridge too far Now thats the same amounts of 'fricks' that are reported to be Swifts movie. And I bet that right up until you got to this part, you were thinking it was a bit inappropriate, amirite? Now apply that to teenagers at a Swift concert
If my kids don’t hear it from T Swifty herself they will surely hear it from me, on the daily. And I thought I was too sheltering as a younger parent
Posted on 3/17/24 at 10:59 am to saintsfan22
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Teenagers say "frick" a lot more than 5 times in a couple hours.
Teenagers also watch porn and have sex.
Should those things carry a PG-13 rating now, too?
Posted on 3/17/24 at 11:38 am to saintsfan22
quote:I wasn't lamenting the fall of pop culture.
Teenagers say "frick" a lot more than 5 times in a couple hours.
I was simply asking how it pulled off a rating with more than the acceptable amount of foul language for said rating.
Posted on 3/17/24 at 11:42 am to Displaced
quote:Doc Hollywood (1991) was rated PG-13 and had multiple F bombs and a fully topless Julie Warner.
I wasn't lamenting the fall of pop culture.
I was simply asking how it pulled off a rating with more than the acceptable amount of foul language for said rating.
How things are rated has always been subjective and moving criteria, this isn’t something new.
Posted on 3/17/24 at 11:43 am to Displaced
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Snippets of language that go "beyond polite conversation" are permitted in G-rated films, but no stronger words are present. Profanity may be present in PG rated films, and use of one of the harsher "sexually-derived words" as an expletive will initially incur at least a PG-13 rating. More than one occurrence will usually incur an R rating as will the usage of such an expletive in a sexual context.[3]
Known as the "automatic language rule", the rule has been applied differently depending on the subject matter of the film. For example, All the President's Men (1976) received a PG rating after appealing it from an R, despite multiple instances of strong language, likely because of its historic subject matter. The automatic language rule is arguably the rule that can most often be successfully appealed.[48] The ratings board may award a PG-13 rating passed by a two-thirds majority if they believe the language is justified by the context or by the manner in which the words are used.[3] It is sometimes claimed that films rated PG-13 are only able to use the expletive frick once to avoid an R rating for language.[49] There are several exceptional cases in which PG-13-rated films contain multiple occurrences of the word frick: Adventures in Babysitting, where the word is used twice in the same scene;[50] Antwone Fisher which has three uses;[51] The Hip Hop Project, which has seventeen uses;[52] and Gunner Palace, a documentary of soldiers in the Second Gulf War, which has 42 uses of the word with two used sexually.[53] Both Bully, a 2011 documentary about bullying, and Philomena—which has two instances of the word—released in 2013, were originally given R ratings on grounds of the language but the ratings were dropped to PG-13 after successful appeals.[54][55] The King's Speech, however, was given an R rating for one scene using the word frick several times in a speech therapy context; the MPAA refused to recertify the film on appeal, despite the British Board of Film Classification reducing the British rating from a 15 rating to a 12A on the grounds that the uses of the expletive were not directed at anyone.[56]
Ratings are a bit more art than science, part of what makes that whole system silly and unfairly punitive in some cases
Disney does tend to adhere a lot more closely to the rule, although I think this just speaks to the leverage of Taylor swift, vs the leverage of someone like LMM
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Some forms of media are cut post-release so as to obtain a PG-13 rating for home media release or to feature on an Internet streaming service that will not carry films rated higher than PG-13. In 2020, a recording of Hamilton was released on Disney+ after cuts by Lin-Manuel Miranda to remove two of the three instances of frick in the musical to qualify it as PG-13 under MPAA guidelines.[58]
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