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re: House of the Dragon: S2 Episode 4 'The Dance of Dragons' (Spoilers)
Posted on 7/8/24 at 2:31 pm to Jorts R Us
Posted on 7/8/24 at 2:31 pm to Jorts R Us
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Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think we got that level of detail about the battle in the books
In the books it states that Aegon and Aemond with Cole planned to ambush her at Rooks Rest.
Bookwise, they waited for Meyles to show up then started with firing on her with the 'scorpions' (from GoT S7 I think). Then Vhagar and Sunfire came out from the woods all according to Cole's plan.
She never had any intention on fleeing. "With a glared cry and a crack of her whip she turned towards her foe." It was said that against Vhagar alone she stood a chance but not against both.
As far as the fight goes they describe it as a violent crash of dragons hundreds of feet in the air and balls of fire that men swore were a thousand suns. They do say that Meyles had Sunfire in her jaws but then Vhagar came down from above and took all three dragons to the ground.
It's said that they struck the ground so hard it knocked stones down from a league away and hours before the fires went out. Vhagar was the only dragon to emerge unharmed. Meyles was broken by the fall and ripped to pieces on the ground with Rhaenys dead. Sunfire had an entire wing ripped from his body (lived but grounded) and Aegon had broken ribs, a broken hip, and burns that covered half his body.
This post was edited on 7/8/24 at 3:43 pm
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Posted on 7/8/24 at 2:34 pm to hogfly
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Similar to Rhaenyra, she seems reluctant to fully commit to the fact that they're actually at war. She keeps looking for another way out besides all-out war and dragon on dragon conflict.
I fully agree that she was trying to avoid war at all costs but I think her not recognizing that it was unavoidable from the jump is evidence that she wasn't the greatest war tactician.
I also find this same flaw in Rhaeyra to an extent. Instead of staying in KL to fight the greens politically, she bailed and allowed them to put themselves in position to take the throne legitimately as far as the commoners are concerned. And even if she feared for her life, she wasted all the time at Dragonstone doing nothing when she could have and should have been gathering support for when her father eventually died. AND THEN, she was still indecisive and slow to act after they stole her throne. I commend the effort but did she really think the greens would say "Oh my bad, heres your throne" because she asked nicely?
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his incident appears to be the first time that she's finally committed fully to the conflict, and it, unfortunately, didn't turn out well for her
More proof that she was bad at war. She avoids it and when she finally commits to it, she puts herself in a low percentage situation. Its always better to live and fight another day when the odds are stacked against you and in this case, losing a large dragon is devastating to her side.
Rhaenyra has a chance to prove herself a better war time leader but like I said, she has made blunder after blunder up to this point. Now that she knows war is unavoidable, maybe she will turn out to be smarter than her aunt.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 2:38 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
quote:in Westeros it seems possession is 9/10th of the law. The royal family is only on the throne because they took it. Not surprising that once she left it it got taken again
Instead of staying in KL to fight the greens politically, she bailed and allowed them to put themselves in position to take the throne legitimately as far as the commoners are concerned.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 2:41 pm to cgrand
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in Westeros it seems possession is 9/10th of the law. The royal family is only on the throne because they took it. Not surprising that once she left it it got taken again
Exactly which is why it was a poor move on her part not to at the very least gather support from other lords before her father died. There was zero chance that the greens were gonna just hand her the crown after Viserys died.
Whats kind of funny to me is that Otto said repeatedly that the realm would never accept a woman on the Iron throne and war was inevitable. Turns out he knew that for a fact because HE was the one that wouldn't accept it and was 100% going to fight a war about it
Posted on 7/8/24 at 3:17 pm to cgrand
Either way, if Disney needs to find an example of a badass female character done well, they need look no further.
Rhaenys; the Queen who Never Was - A history
Rhaenys; the Queen who Never Was - A history
This post was edited on 7/9/24 at 8:08 am
Posted on 7/8/24 at 3:20 pm to blueboy
Agreed. Fantastic character. First time I shed a tear for a Game of Thrones show in a while when Meleys looked back and they both accepted death.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 3:31 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
One thing I noticed, and that they've touched on in countless episodes following these people around trying to avoid the coming conflict, was rhanyra's realization and solidification that her father had indeed NOT picked his firstborn son over her. Alicent knowing nothing of the song of ice and fire absolves her of what needs to be done because she can now face the usurpers for what they are. She didn't get to feel like a true queen until that question in the back of her mind was answered. The buildup with her telling Jace while we got to see the battlements made ready gave your boy chills.
Best episode of the series so far and in large part due to the 14 episode build up to an actual battle. Didn't disappoint and I've still got a raging throner.
Best episode of the series so far and in large part due to the 14 episode build up to an actual battle. Didn't disappoint and I've still got a raging throner.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 3:39 pm to jiffyjohnson
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One thing I noticed, and that they've touched on in countless episodes following these people around trying to avoid the coming conflict, was rhanyra's realization and solidification that her father had indeed NOT picked his firstborn son over her. Alicent knowing nothing of the song of ice and fire absolves her of what needs to be done because she can now face the usurpers for what they are. She didn't get to feel like a true queen until that question in the back of her mind was answered. The buildup with her telling Jace while we got to see the battlements made ready gave your boy chills.
That is an interesting angle. Maybe Rhaenyra was worried that she was starting a war to take the throne from the heir her father actually chose. Still doesn't absolve her for not preparing for any of it before her father died but it does explain why she was slow to act after his death and explains her need to speak to Alicent.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 3:50 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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Maybe Rhaenyra was worried that she was starting a war to take the throne from the heir her father actually chose
I feel like her going to speak with alicent and that particular back and forth answered the biggest question she had to ask herself. She got to see that alicent actually believed that viserys changed his mind, and then the look on her face when she realized "ya I guess these people do recycle names quite a bit" and it's the wrong aegon lol.
You can see it when she's talking to Jace as well. While Jace is snapping at her at the council, and he comes to her already explaining himself and sorry about the tone he took, she could care less. She saw him for what he is, the heir. Which is what she now knows herself to be beyond all doubt.
People begging for action every episode don't get to realize the brilliance in the writing and we should have pity on them. It feels like classic thrones.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 5:44 pm to Tacktheritrix
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She never had any intention on fleeing. "With a glared cry and a crack of her whip she turned towards her foe." It was said that against Vhagar alone she stood a chance but not against both.
Fair enough. Not exactly the same portrayal but she was as equally determined to fight in the books.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 7:27 am to Jorts R Us
Not a book guy but in the context of the show I thought she came back to redeem herself for not ending the war when she had the chance. You can see in her face that she thinks she’s doomed but turns back anyway because this time she’s going to fight. I definitely haven’t been a fan of hers, she’s my least favorite character but I thought she went out like a warrior.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 8:46 am to Jorts R Us
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she was as equally determined to fight in the books.
Yea, to me, from the book it feels like she made that decision because she had been passed up on for so many life altering opportunities and in this moment it was her who got to decide the outcome...not the men of Westeros.
It does state that she knew there was no chance to get out of this alive which makes me think that in her mind if she was going out she was going to take someone with her. She did attack Sunfyre first, maybe purposefully to overpower the younger dragon for a quick kill and focus all on her remaining energy on Vhagar. Unfortunately, while Meyles had Sunfire in her jaw, Vhagar came down from above and took all three out. Big ole nasty b*tch
This post was edited on 7/9/24 at 8:50 am
Posted on 7/9/24 at 10:13 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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Now that she knows war is unavoidable, maybe she will turn out to be smarter than her aunt.
I'm assuming you don't care about spoilers since you're in this thread? I'd hate for that to be spoiled for you because it's a pretty great part of the story.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 10:14 am to iwyLSUiwy
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I'm assuming you don't care about spoilers since you're in this thread? I'd hate for that to be spoiled for you because it's a pretty great part of the story.
Well I am currently reading the book and just got to the part where Viserys died so I will be spoiled soon enough.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 10:16 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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Maybe Rhaenyra was worried that she was starting a war to take the throne from the heir her father actually chose.
As far as the show goes, that was for sure part of it.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 3:45 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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Well I am currently reading the book and just got to the part where Viserys died so I will be spoiled soon enough.
Same baw. I was a show watcher for all of GoT and did my best to avoid spoilers for years. Didn't wanna do that this go round.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 6:24 pm to jiffyjohnson
Posted on 7/9/24 at 6:49 pm to blueboy
So Aemond letting big bro king get smacked down and then evidently drawing the sword to make sure he was out of the picture was from the book or no? I think I like it this way better if not.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 8:29 pm to Crimson K
Nah. That’s all show although it does fit into his personality. The books are written like a history book so there’s no inner monologue for us to go off of.
Just like when Luke was killed by Vaegar. Aemond acts like he didn’t want it to happen and shows remorse. In the books we just hear they had a confrontation, then Aemond chased after him on Vaegar and killed him.
Just like when Luke was killed by Vaegar. Aemond acts like he didn’t want it to happen and shows remorse. In the books we just hear they had a confrontation, then Aemond chased after him on Vaegar and killed him.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 7:53 am to Henry Jones Jr
How come no one has ever tried poisoning a dragon?
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