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re: Here's why the Oscars have been falling in the ratings in recent years
Posted on 8/20/18 at 4:56 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 8/20/18 at 4:56 pm to RollTide1987
This says more about audiences than Hollywood. We've become a nation of juveniles.
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Posted on 8/20/18 at 4:58 pm to ohiovol
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I doubt Titanic wins
Titanic spoke to the Academy because it was an homage to the Hollywood epics of old. The voters get boners for that sort of thing if the film works. Titanic worked. It was the perfect storm of awesome - a critical success and a commercial phenomenon.
If it were released in 2018 it would probably still be nominated and still win. It was that type of movie.
This post was edited on 8/20/18 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 8/20/18 at 5:05 pm to RollTide1987
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Titanic worked. It was the perfect storm of awesome - a critical success and a commercial phenomenon.
TDK was a commercial success and far more critically acclaimed and didn’t get nominated.
This post was edited on 8/20/18 at 5:16 pm
Posted on 8/20/18 at 5:11 pm to RollTide1987
There's a million channels, nobody cares about critics anymore, Hollywood has been tarnished for some years now and the luster of celebs has worn off.
Public is much wiser and has options. It's not 1982 anymore where the Oscar's red carpet is on every channel...meaning 3 channels.
Public is much wiser and has options. It's not 1982 anymore where the Oscar's red carpet is on every channel...meaning 3 channels.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 5:12 pm to RollTide1987
There is a trend there. And my knee jerk reaction is that today there are more low quality big budget movies which are big revenue but forgettable because neither the acting nor the story are exceptional.
Which is to argue that reasonable people generally do not believe the latest F&F, Star Wars, or Jumanjii product should be considered for best picture - but can be fun to see in a theater. Decades ago many big budget movies were obviously not CGI or special effects driven and had serious actors doing what they think of as their serious roles.
We actually do have really good actors doing roles for the blockbuster movies critics do not view as candidates for best picture - but there is an apparent consensus that serious actors doing less serious parts will rarely be given oscar consideration.
I am actually kind of fine with all of these things. Maybe occasional consideration should be given to a project like The Matrix for how creative, influential, and well executed the movie was - but we shouldn't mistake popular for outstanding either. And popularity obviously plays something of a role in the same way that genre does - rarely will documentaries be given even a perfunctory nod. Comedies, animation, horror, and action are also generally overlooked compared to tragedies and dramas.
Which is to argue that reasonable people generally do not believe the latest F&F, Star Wars, or Jumanjii product should be considered for best picture - but can be fun to see in a theater. Decades ago many big budget movies were obviously not CGI or special effects driven and had serious actors doing what they think of as their serious roles.
We actually do have really good actors doing roles for the blockbuster movies critics do not view as candidates for best picture - but there is an apparent consensus that serious actors doing less serious parts will rarely be given oscar consideration.
I am actually kind of fine with all of these things. Maybe occasional consideration should be given to a project like The Matrix for how creative, influential, and well executed the movie was - but we shouldn't mistake popular for outstanding either. And popularity obviously plays something of a role in the same way that genre does - rarely will documentaries be given even a perfunctory nod. Comedies, animation, horror, and action are also generally overlooked compared to tragedies and dramas.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 5:17 pm to Baloo
A few things happened IMHO.
1. The business changed in the 70s when Spielberg and Lucas created the summer blockbuster. It really caught on in the 80s, which is where we see the first big departure of winner from where it ranked in grossing.
2. The awards scene shifted heavily circa 1995-1996 as the Miramax type of film started dominating the nominees. These films generally gross much lower than typical nominees so it raises the chances of a low grossing winner.
3. The home video revolution and the explosion of screens helped shorten the average run of a movie. It means anything which doesn’t get an immediate audience tends to fall out of release before anyone realizes it was there. Contrast this with the 70s when you had stuff playing at a theater year round. Movies had an ability to build a buzz and get people to come see it who weren’t out there in the first weekend.
I bet if someone went back and did all nominees for a year it would show a decided shift in grosses after the mid 70s and again come the mid 90s when you have stuff like Secrets And Lies getting nominated that hardly anyone ever watched.
1. The business changed in the 70s when Spielberg and Lucas created the summer blockbuster. It really caught on in the 80s, which is where we see the first big departure of winner from where it ranked in grossing.
2. The awards scene shifted heavily circa 1995-1996 as the Miramax type of film started dominating the nominees. These films generally gross much lower than typical nominees so it raises the chances of a low grossing winner.
3. The home video revolution and the explosion of screens helped shorten the average run of a movie. It means anything which doesn’t get an immediate audience tends to fall out of release before anyone realizes it was there. Contrast this with the 70s when you had stuff playing at a theater year round. Movies had an ability to build a buzz and get people to come see it who weren’t out there in the first weekend.
I bet if someone went back and did all nominees for a year it would show a decided shift in grosses after the mid 70s and again come the mid 90s when you have stuff like Secrets And Lies getting nominated that hardly anyone ever watched.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 5:30 pm to ohiovol
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TDK was a commercial success and far more critically acclaimed and didn’t get nominated.
You completely ignored my preceding argument.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 5:34 pm to RollTide1987
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You completely ignored my preceding argument.
I didn’t. I just wasn’t disputing that.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 8:39 pm to ohiovol
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far more critically acclaimed and didn’t get nominated.
Than Titanic? I don’t think so. It also wasn’t the cultural phenomenon that Titanic was either or really close in box office grosses.
This post was edited on 8/20/18 at 8:47 pm
Posted on 8/20/18 at 8:42 pm to Draconian Sanctions
I doubt many of that great 70's decade of movies gets made today.
1970: Patton (#4)
1971: The French Connection (#2)
1972: The Godfather (#1)
1973: The Sting (#1)
1974: The Godfather Part II (#7)
1975: One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (#3)
1976: Rocky (#1)
1977: Annie Hall (#10)
1978: The Deer Hunter (#9)
1979: Kamer vs Kramer
The worst movie out of all of them, Kramer vs Kramer would get made.
Don't know enough to judge whether Annie Hall gets made today because I don't remember enough about the little bit I saw. Tried to give Woody a chance back then, but don't like his stuff.
1970: Patton (#4)
1971: The French Connection (#2)
1972: The Godfather (#1)
1973: The Sting (#1)
1974: The Godfather Part II (#7)
1975: One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (#3)
1976: Rocky (#1)
1977: Annie Hall (#10)
1978: The Deer Hunter (#9)
1979: Kamer vs Kramer
The worst movie out of all of them, Kramer vs Kramer would get made.
Don't know enough to judge whether Annie Hall gets made today because I don't remember enough about the little bit I saw. Tried to give Woody a chance back then, but don't like his stuff.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 8:55 pm to chinese58
Oh Annie Hall would get made.
That's a NY liberal love-fest.
That's a NY liberal love-fest.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 8:57 pm to chinese58
No way French Connection gets made. Too slow for today's audiences.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 9:00 pm to chinese58
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1973: The Sting (#1)
Just rewatched this a week or two ago, it's a lot more graphic than I remembered. Bloody corpses, a close-up head shot assassaination, the line "You goddamn n- lover!"
The ending would change for sure. Too merry, not near poignant enough.
The Deer Hunter would be warped beyond all recognition. A filmmaker like Cimino, with his rep for directing/editing, would never get a leash like that.
This post was edited on 8/20/18 at 9:03 pm
Posted on 8/20/18 at 9:04 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:yes. Yes I do.
You really think Infinity War should be up for Best Picture?
Posted on 8/20/18 at 9:05 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Such as?
Forest Gump and the Lord of the Rings jump out to me.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 9:08 pm to chinese58
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Don't know enough to judge whether Annie Hall gets made today
It gets made today and still wins Best Picture. One of the most overrated movies in film history. It’s appaling to me that Woody Allen has been nominated 16 times for Best Original Screenplay, while the next closest only has 6 nominations.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 9:08 pm to RollTide1987
From the 60s to the 00s, overall that's a pretty solid list of movies.
2010+ is well on it's way to a list of pretty mediocre movies.
2010+ is well on it's way to a list of pretty mediocre movies.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 9:26 pm to chinese58
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1974: The Godfather Part II (#7)
This is arguably one of the greatest movies of all time and IMO the best sequel ever. It finished 7th that year? I had to google to see the rest of the list.
1. Blazing Saddles Warner Bros. $119,500,000[1]
2. The Towering Inferno 20th Century Fox / Warner Bros. $116,000,000[2]
3. The Trial of Billy Jack Warner Bros. $89,000,000[3]
4. Young Frankenstein 20th Century Fox $86,273,333[4]
5. Earthquake Universal Pictures $79,666,653[5]
6. The Taking of Pelham One Two Three United Artists $61,984,039
7. The Godfather Part II Paramount Pictures $47,542,841[6]
8. Airport 1975 Universal Pictures $47,285,152[7]
9. The Life and Times of Grizzly Adams Sunn Classic Pictures $45,411,063[8]
10. The Longest Yard Paramount Pictures $43,008,075[9]
The "Trial of Billy Jack" almost made twice what the Godfather 2 made. I would have lost my arse if I bet on that. It's the 3rd Billy Jack movie. I didn't even know there were more than one of them..
Posted on 8/20/18 at 9:57 pm to jlovel7
Trump train exposed the liberal political celebrities.
That’s why I quit watching it.
That’s why I quit watching it.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 10:04 pm to chinese58
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Don't know enough to judge whether Annie Hall gets made today
Noah Baumbach has remade it twice in the past few years. Frances Ha and While We’re Young. Eventually he’ll have his Annie Hall.
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