re: George R.R. Martin Signs Massive Five-Year Overall Deal with HBO

I can't tell which franchise creator has a more toxic and psychotic relationship with his fan base...


Star Wars George Lucas or GOT's George R.R. Martin.

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Star Wars George Lucas or GOT's George R.R. Martin.

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GRRM actually deserves most of the criticism

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They had his notes. The ending we received was the ending he intended.

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He said he told them the major points of how it ended.

Spoilers obviously




So he would have told them things like Bran would be king and Jon would kill Dany. He didn’t tell them how he would get to that point (pretty important in storytelling) or any other details. Because he himself probably didn’t know since he’s no where near finishing the books. So basically they stuck those things in without much buildup to how the events would’ve logically played out.

D&D should get blamed but GRRM is also to blame.

Ya'll mad he rich.

If I were him I'd bring in aliens and robots.

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That fat frick tells me that Bran becomes King and I tell him thanks but no thanks

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I don't even care if Bran became king, but make me want him to be king. They made his character so boring literally anyone else would have been a more interesting choice.

But i'll give them all a shot just incase it's something good. To use the Lucas comment. That's like saying i won't watch the Mandalorian because Last Jedi and ROS were a pieces of shite.

Just make a series of jon snow and thormund giantsbane running around fricking shite up and i’ll watch every episode

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Guarantee you watch it

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I did, but I won't bother with anything else from G. Martin, and you're missing the point entirely. I cancelled HBO right after the finale'. I didn't even watch the wrap up docu-episode. So yeah, I watched, and I know of what I'm speaking about when I say this has all the signs of a massive fail.

I've read all the books, and watched the series. And like most others, I'm pissed at how shitty the series finished and how fatass hasn't finished the books.

This thread has me thinking about other fantasy writers that started a GREAT series and never finished them.

Along with GRRM, the first that comes to mind is Patrick Rothfuss with The Name of the Wind series. His dad died during the writing of the third and final book, and he stalled and hasn't finished it. He's also gone the route of Fatass in letting his celebrity go to his head and distract him. He's at comin cons and makes appearances at other nerd gatherings, does D&D streaming guest spots, etc. FINISH THE BOOKS DAMMIT.


At least Robert Jordan has the excuse that he died before finishing. And the publishers had Brandon Sanderson finish it.

Another awesome series, the Hiero's Journey series by Sterling Lanier. He was hit by a car after the second book and severe brain damage prevented him from writing anything ever again. I highly recommend you read books 1 and 2.

Can anyone think of other authors that left us hanging the way Fatass (yes, I'll eternally refer to GRRM as Fatass unless he finishes the series) and Rothfuss.

How are they not getting more shite for not finishing their books???

I didn't read the books, so my opinion is based on the show only. I agree that up until GRRM bailed on it, it was a watchable. ( I even bailed , for a bit, after the Red Wedding, but full confession, came back and finished it. ) But Dave and Dan clearly showed they were in way over their heads and admitted, they didn't know what they were doing.

No idea what HBO is thinking, other than they made their money and believe GRRM will still be able to draw enough to make the venture worth while.

I'm not signing up for that. He can't take on new projects with out finishing the GoT books, what's the point? He's lost his focus.

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Just make a series of jon snow and thormund giantsbane running around fricking shite up and i’ll watch every episode

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Only if Jon finds himself another hot Wildling ginger.