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V Bainbridge
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re: Oh Little Rock, you never cease to amaze me
Posted by V Bainbridge on 12/6/25 at 6:22 pm to hawgndodge
Simmons Arena isn't even in Little Rock. Your rocksession is noted and I regret to inform you that we will once again not be paying rent for the space we occupy in your dome.
Carry on :cheers:
Carry on :cheers:
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re: This isn't about drug boats or survivors
Posted by V Bainbridge on 12/6/25 at 5:19 pm to BBONDS25
Welp. I enjoyed the couple pages of actual discussion while it lasted :lol:
re: This isn't about drug boats or survivors
Posted by V Bainbridge on 12/6/25 at 4:01 pm to northshorebamaman
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Instead we always get the cartoon version. Evil actors. Good guys. Fent boats from South America. Anything except the actual strategic logic. It is like they assume the public cannot handle a grown up explanation, so they wrap every move in a moral fable rather than give the real reasoning behind it.
This is why I made the thread. It's obvious that it isn't about drug boats or survivors. I wanted to know more but reading MSM or most social media is a giant jerk off.
Only took 4 pages of personal attacks and pissing contests to get to some real discussion :cheers:
re: This isn't about drug boats or survivors
Posted by V Bainbridge on 12/6/25 at 3:15 pm to northshorebamaman
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If you’re imagining a couple guys in cubicles while CIA does all the real work, you’ve got it backwards.
I think the cartels do all the real work and elements of the CIA launder the money and provide bits of intel to them to avoid detection/capture.
I clarified what I meant by deep state in the OP. I don't think the MIC is involved in the drug smuggling. I'm sure they want to go in for their own reasons. None of that wall of defense operations you posted really addresses or disproves the theory in the OP though which is what I would like to focus on.
Do you believe the MIC is involved in the drug smuggling?
re: This isn't about drug boats or survivors
Posted by V Bainbridge on 12/6/25 at 2:32 pm to OccamsStubble
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Now, you change my mind.
Why would I do that? Seems possible. Both can be true.
MIC is probably the most on board with Trump of all the deep state actors. I'm sure they prefer someone they could control better and won't mind at all when he is gone though.
re: This isn't about drug boats or survivors
Posted by V Bainbridge on 12/6/25 at 1:24 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Its confusing. Youre saying Trump is cutting off the deep state while trusting the deep state and strengthening them through his newfound trust. ''
The term deep state is rather nebulous. Let me redefine it in this case as rogue elements of the CIA and their related NGO's. The MIC would probably be all in on anything involving military action and likely isn't profiting from the drug money.
It's hard to direct the conversation towards definitions or elaboration when a dozen of you are having your own unrelated pissing matches inside of it :lol:
re: This isn't about drug boats or survivors
Posted by V Bainbridge on 12/6/25 at 1:18 pm to CastleBravo
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This actually makes a lot of sense.
There's lots of intricacies that aren't and really can't be defined about it without inside info but with how much of a fuss is being made about the strikes, I find it hard to believe bad actors in the US aren't the ones having their bankroll targeted.
re: This isn't about drug boats or survivors
Posted by V Bainbridge on 12/6/25 at 1:10 pm to blueboy
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Something tells me Trump's biggest backers don't want that.
Trump himself doesn't want it. There is a shite ton of production for American companies based in Mexico that would be disrupted among a boatload of other problems with military action against them.
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but if it was really about drugs coming into the country, we'd have invaded Mexico long ago.
Did you just ignore the entire premise of the thread? Read the title again.
re: This isn't about drug boats or survivors
Posted by V Bainbridge on 12/6/25 at 12:38 pm to Aubie Spr96
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Holy shite. Are you suggesting that Trump is using the US military to kill CIA agents smuggling drugs? Yall are fricking nuts.
My opinion was that the deep state, CIA in particular in this case, assists with and profits from illegal drug shipments into the US and that Trump is blowing up cartel smugglers to cut off this flow of money.
They aren't CIA agents they might actually BE fishermen when they aren't smuggling drugs but they are smuggling drugs when targeted.
To those asking why I think we aren't going after Mexico, this fella would be a good example of the normie mindset that would make going after them foolish and a major incident.
re: This isn't about drug boats or survivors
Posted by V Bainbridge on 12/6/25 at 12:19 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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trump says this is about drugs, that's pretty simple and he demands you believe it.
But he's lying to you again.
So you agree with my assessment?
re: This isn't about drug boats or survivors
Posted by V Bainbridge on 12/6/25 at 12:16 pm to blueboy
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When's he sending the boys to Mexico?
When he can build a legitimate enough case to do so I would guess. Flipping Maduro would go a long way in that pursuit.
re: This isn't about drug boats or survivors
Posted by V Bainbridge on 12/6/25 at 12:10 pm to LegendInMyMind
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The fentanyl crisis is being used as an emotional primer to encourage support from the general public. It works on the surface, which is all most people will ever look at, but it quickly falls apart with the least bit of scrutiny.
I think he has to do this to fight the internal war. It's grimy and dishonest but if your own agencies are against you then you would have to clean that up first before you could get much done. It's an ugly game but if he doesn't play, they win.
re: This isn't about drug boats or survivors
Posted by V Bainbridge on 12/6/25 at 12:06 pm to sabanisarustedspoke
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I don't think this will change your mind, but I think this is really about breaking up "state sponsored" hacking networks that have been nurtured in Venezuela for many years. I could be wrong though.
I certainly believe this is part of his desire for regime change. I believe both are true. He's been working to flip Maduro instead of going in hot IMO
re: This isn't about drug boats or survivors
Posted by V Bainbridge on 12/6/25 at 12:02 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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ts really simple and easy to undertstand.
Yes, geopolitics is usually very simple.
You can do better than this. He just wants regime change because Maduro bad drug man? Is that your stance?
re: This isn't about drug boats or survivors
Posted by V Bainbridge on 12/6/25 at 11:58 am to VOR
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If that’s what you think this is all about. It’s not possible to change your mind. You’re dug in…
Care to even state what you believe is going on? Just for the record? Is it just him indiscriminately blowing up drug shipments in your opinion? That's a valid take even if it doesn't convince me.
re: This isn't about drug boats or survivors
Posted by V Bainbridge on 12/6/25 at 11:55 am to RogerTheShrubber
In this instance I believe the CIA is the primary culprit. They have the history. I doubt the MIC is tied up in basic recon. MIC deep state people are behind desks not in the field.
re: This isn't about drug boats or survivors
Posted by V Bainbridge on 12/6/25 at 11:50 am to RogerTheShrubber
In my opinion Roger just answered Legends concern.
You can't go after Mexico because the normie brain will reject the notion that the CIA runs the cartels (even though there is extensive evidence that they are deeply involved with them, at a minimum) and doing so will basically start the color revolution that they want so badly.
Trump has to change the narrative of what he's doing. It's not cutting off deep state drug money, it's stopping fent shipments. If he goes after Mexico they will scream "illegal order!" and "dictator" at the top of their lungs from every outlet. The Mexican president has much more legitimacy than Maduro. It would be an international incident.
Going for their throat would make the deep state go all out on destabilization and he obviously isn't ready for that yet.
You can't go after Mexico because the normie brain will reject the notion that the CIA runs the cartels (even though there is extensive evidence that they are deeply involved with them, at a minimum) and doing so will basically start the color revolution that they want so badly.
Trump has to change the narrative of what he's doing. It's not cutting off deep state drug money, it's stopping fent shipments. If he goes after Mexico they will scream "illegal order!" and "dictator" at the top of their lungs from every outlet. The Mexican president has much more legitimacy than Maduro. It would be an international incident.
Going for their throat would make the deep state go all out on destabilization and he obviously isn't ready for that yet.
re: This isn't about drug boats or survivors
Posted by V Bainbridge on 12/6/25 at 11:27 am to RogerTheShrubber
What if Trump had another source of information on their movements? Like the former leader of a narco-state. Lets just say the former leader of Honduras for arguments sake.
This isn't about drug boats or survivors
Posted by V Bainbridge on 12/6/25 at 11:18 am
This is about Trump cutting off another avenue of deep state money. The deep state runs the cartels and launders the money through their global organizations.
Change my mind
*Defining "Deep State" as rogue elements of the CIA and their related NGO's for clarity. I do not believe the MIC is involved in the drug smuggling. Feel free to change my mind on that too.
Change my mind
*Defining "Deep State" as rogue elements of the CIA and their related NGO's for clarity. I do not believe the MIC is involved in the drug smuggling. Feel free to change my mind on that too.
re: FBI arrests Obama DEA exec for laundering cartel money
Posted by V Bainbridge on 12/6/25 at 11:15 am to Padme
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It almost seems like the cartels have been running our government
You're almost there. Think about it a little harder
re: Silverfield Presser Link/Discussion
Posted by V Bainbridge on 12/5/25 at 9:43 pm to SmackoverHawg
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Hope is what we live for.
I just can't do it anymore and without the rose colored goggles on, it looks like we are doing G5 things with an SEC schedule.
If he doesn't pull a top 10 portal class we don't have the talent to have a winning season. We looked better than we were last year because we didn't give up when other teams got a lead and let off the gas.
I don't want to believe. I want to win.
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