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re: Game of Thrones S8E5 "The Bells" is officially the worst reviewed GOT episode yet
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:31 pm to Duke
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:31 pm to Duke
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It was shocking because most shows aren't going to actually go through killing main characters.
yes. the shock was the lack of plot armor, not the acts themselves
to use a non-Dany character...traditionally, it would be Starks v Lannisters and the noble Starks would be saved by bullshite after overcoming impossible odds to win. the show flipped this on its head by having 2 generations of Starks take major Ls, making the audience feel uneasy b/c we would have to see another way the story ends
the irony is that the "traditional path" is basically what ended up happening with John Snow, ramped up 100x when D/D went on their own
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Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
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shock" decisions to make people go that left the cupboard barren (blowing up the Sept)
Anybody that didn’t like S6 Ep 10 Winds of Winter should have their opinions ignored.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:33 pm to Duke
quote:The Red Wedding didn’t just subvert expectations of the viewer/reader, it subverted the expectations and customs of the continent. Nobody would dare do that until they did it. Nobody would dare burn down a city, until she did it, and was the only one who could have unlike the Red Wedding.
Beheading Need Stark and the Red Wedding were the obvious results. It was shocking because most shows aren't going to actually go through killing main characters. The subversion of expectations wasn't that it was against where the story was going, but against the rules of TV shows.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:34 pm to BOSCEAUX
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Anybody that didn’t like S6 Ep 10 Winds of Winter should have their opinions ignored.
you can like an episode and realize that it completely fricked up the rest of the story
to bring that full circle, i liked episode 5 well enough on its own. the production and visuals are new heights for television. but within the series? it was a monstrosity
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:34 pm to buckeye_vol
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Nobody would dare burn down a city, until she did it,
to be fair Cersei kind of already did this
#OGMadQueen
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:If you find Jon’s path is “traditional,” how do you find Dany’s so shocking?
the irony is that the "traditional path" is basically what ended up happening with John Snow, ramped up 100x when D/D went on their own
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:35 pm to Dr RC
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they've been foreshadowing it for years. have they not? can we agree on that?
Anybody who can't agree on this is being willfully ignorant at this point.
There isn't a single person ITT who said she didn't show the potential for going insane.
So, again, you guys are screaming at something that was never even brought up.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:36 pm to buckeye_vol
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how do you find Dany’s so shocking?
Why do people keep saying this? Nobody finds Dany's path shocking
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:37 pm to buckeye_vol
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If you find Jon’s path is “traditional,” how do you find Dany’s so shocking?
i've spoken out for literally years about how stupid deus ex drachina was
the climax was when Mereen was under attack and then out of nowhere, Dany shows up on a dragon to save the day
LINK
that whole scene is so fricking stupid
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:40 pm to SammyTiger
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Prior to seeing the NK she was not going to fight unless Jon bent the knee
But she did go fight the army of the dead. She couldn't be spiraling into madness then, because they needed her sane to do what was needed to win.
Then you get one episode dealing with the Jon is a Targ fallout, burying her long time adviser and friend, having a dragon die, and the beheading of another close adviser and friend. All of this would obviously push her closer to the mad queen end, but it's better to show how each of those events erodes her sanity and bubbles rage.
Obviously the weight of all those events brings plenty of justification along with her violent past. They did it all at once because they needed to hit all of these markers for the justification. So you force the scene where the dragon dies. Have her close friend get kidnapped in the same scene to get to the beheading to hit that justification.
You can rationally note that all of this could well push someone like her to a dark place but it doesn't have enough emotional weight when it all happens at once. It's empty, despite all the reasons you can cite as to why it made sense.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:40 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
quote:Well people are either surprised or disgusted by it. That covers both definitions.
Why do people keep saying this? Nobody finds Dany's path shocking
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:41 pm to Duke
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So you force the scene where the dragon dies. Have her close friend get kidnapped in the same scene to get to the beheading to hit that justification.
and i thought it was bad LAST week
it's so much worse now
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:41 pm to buckeye_vol
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Well people are either surprised or disgusted by it. That covers both definitions.
All these pages and you still don't get it.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:41 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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Why do people keep saying this? Nobody finds Dany's path shocking
I keep asking and none of them can give an answer. I think it's because they don't have a sound argument against our "the pace was too fast" stance so they have to make up something to argue with us about.
I'm really not sure.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:44 pm to RB10
I just don’t get how people can say “I saw Her potential for this” and then turn around and say “they were lazy and rushed it and this turn was unearned”
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:As I’ve said before, you’ve been complaining for years. I’ve usually disagreed but at least you’re consistent. But a lot of people are complaining about storytelling that isn’t much if any different than what they enjoyed before.
the climax was when Mereen was under attack and then out of nowhere, Dany shows up on a dragon to save the day
LINK
that whole scene is so fricking stupid
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:46 pm to SammyTiger
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I just don’t get how people can say “I saw Her potential for this” and then turn around and say “they were lazy and rushed it and this turn was unearned”
Because we want to see the layers get peeled back rather than just get a "oh yeah, she's crazy now" reveal.
Save the latter for movies.
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:46 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
quote:We’ve had numerous poster say “it doesn’t make sense,” because it was so too abrupt, extreme, etc. How can those be interpreted as not “shock?”
All these pages and you still don't get it.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:49 pm to SammyTiger
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I just don’t get how people can say “I saw Her potential for this” and then turn around and say “they were lazy and rushed it and this turn was unearned”
How do you feel about Anakin's turn to the dark side?
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:49 pm to RB10
quote:You want the layers pulled back, but then you just ignore the layers that were pulled back and interpret it as “she’s crazy.”
oh yeah, she's crazy now
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