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re: Game of Thrones S8E5 "The Bells" is officially the worst reviewed GOT episode yet
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:15 pm to Dr RC
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:15 pm to Dr RC
You're too knowledgeable and understanding of basic story elements for this bunch. I'm sure most of this group binged watched the show and hardly paid the attention the show deserved early on. So they're lost and chalk their confusion down to something the writers did.
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Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:15 pm to ell_13
quote:
I swear I think people are watching a different show.
no this is common
in my many years of being SFP on this board, this kind of discussion occurs a lot with bad (especially forced) writing
people cling to their stories and go to find their golden clues. D/D literally finished this show specifically for these sorts of people
THAT is why there is such a huge backlash. the people who really love GOT for its quality reject that sort of storytelling
this whole example has made me start wondering if content has gotten too good, to where people expect a lot more out of TV and are more willing to criticize shows that begin to pander to lower level audience. it happened with TWD before GOT, but even between those shows you're talking different universes in terms of quality
even back in season 1 when the production values were pretty shitty, you got scenes like this:
Ned and Varys in the dungeon
nuanced characters with deep discussions that spanned all sorts of emotional depth
then you have probably the best scene in the entire show:
Tyrion's trial
it took YEARS to get to that point. think of all the layers of conflict and emotion that were shown to lead up to the impact of that scene. nuanced characters with motivations and depth interacting with one another for various sorts of personal and meta gain
these scenes would be out of place in the current GOT. it's that simple. nothing is built. character building means nothing anymore. conflict is forced and not developed. how we get to these points takes an episode instead of a season. it's just bad now
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:16 pm to abellsujr
Dany was always a child with a dragon.
That’s a terrifying s prospect.
It’s like if Kim Jin Un was the onlyone with nukes.
We’d would all be kinda fricked.
That’s a terrifying s prospect.
It’s like if Kim Jin Un was the onlyone with nukes.
We’d would all be kinda fricked.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:16 pm to ell_13
quote:She clearly went from “rightful heir” to the conquerer people have told her to embrace for seasons and went with the “might is right” approach.
Killing innocent people doesn’t prevent that. Killing Jon and all the Starks maybe.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
They spend 8 seasons developing characters
At some point something has to happen.
At some point something has to happen.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:17 pm to SammyTiger
quote:I never saw it that way. I've even recently watched through the series. If that was the intention, they failed IMO. I'm not the only one who liked her as a ruler.
Dany was always a child with a dragon.
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:17 pm to Dr RC
quote:
Anybody who can't agree on this is being willfully ignorant at this point.
like i said earlier.
they have foreshadowed that she can be cruel, but not evil
they have shown that she can be angry and emotional, but not crazy
those developed over 1.5 episodes with 1 episode in the show left
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:18 pm to abellsujr
quote:Because she may be a little emotional unstable, but she didn’t then mad. In fact, they made it a point to show the conflict with her impending decision.
I'm not surprised by her turn to complete madness. It's the way it played out that was stupid.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:18 pm to SammyTiger
quote:
They spend 8 seasons developing characters
At some point something has to happen.
the best episode of this series happened in season 2
it was centered around a siege of king's landing
sure, it didn't have the scope/budget of the current battles, but it was vastly superior in every way
and yes, that is "something happening"
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:18 pm to abellsujr
If you solve 99% of your problems with dragons, and the other 1% with other fire, you aren’t a good leader.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:19 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
they made it a point to show the conflict with her impending decision.
and like i said earlier, they need a season or more to fully explore this
they have 1 episode
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
If you ignore everything that people pointed out.
Name one problem Dany fixed without having to resort to burning stuff.
Name one problem Dany fixed without having to resort to burning stuff.
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:20 pm to SammyTiger
quote:If you have dragons, you use them.
If you solve 99% of your problems with dragons, and the other 1% with other fire, you aren’t a good leader.
As someone said before, even Jon and Arya have murdered people for little to nothing.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:21 pm to SammyTiger
quote:
If you ignore everything that people pointed out.
Name one problem Dany fixed without having to resort to burning stuff.
you don't understand the post you're responding to
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:21 pm to Dr RC
quote:
I'm not sure why you seem to think it was done too fast.
Two episodes ago she was fighting for the living vs the dead. Now she's firebombing a city with at least a couple hundred thousand residents, perhaps up to a million. It's a fast turnaround.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:22 pm to abellsujr
Sure, Jon also was able to negotiate with the Wildlings and convince Dany to join him.
He’s commanded loyalty from people
Without having a dragon.
Jon has executed Slynt and the 4 guys who
Literally Murdered him.
He’s commanded loyalty from people
Without having a dragon.
Jon has executed Slynt and the 4 guys who
Literally Murdered him.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:23 pm to Duke
She’s part of the living. And the NK killed her child.
Prior to seeing the NK she was not going to fight unless Jon bent the knee
Prior to seeing the NK she was not going to fight unless Jon bent the knee
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:27 pm to SammyTiger
quote:And would have been killed if Dany didn't use her dragons last season. Maybe Dany should have tried to show up without her dragons just to prove a point.
He’s commanded loyalty from people
Without having a dragon.
Jon was also raised with the Starks and had loyalties everywhere.
I'm not saying Jon would be a worse or better leader. But let's be real. Dany could have gone to KL and destroyed it any time she wanted to. It was not the plan. And it was fricking stupid. She has never been childish before this season IMO. She has been tough. She has fought fire with fire. But never irrationally stupid.
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
THAT is why there is such a huge backlash. the people who really love GOT for its quality reject that sort of storytelling
Pretty much.
As an aside, I think about the "shocking" moments and how they we're the natural consequences of decisions those characters made. Beheading Need Stark and the Red Wedding were the obvious results. It was shocking because most shows aren't going to actually go through killing main characters. The subversion of expectations wasn't that it was against where the story was going, but against the rules of TV shows.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:29 pm to Duke
quote:She only decided to fight the dead when she realized it would threaten her own interests, and the living would turn into the dead. I mean the US and Soviets both fought against the Nazis so taking on one evil threat doesn’t exactly mean that they’ll turn around and become righteous afterwards.
Two episodes ago she was fighting for the living vs the dead. Now she's firebombing a city with at least a couple hundred thousand residents, perhaps up to a million. It's a fast turnaround.
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