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re: Game of Thrones S8E5 "The Bells" is officially the worst reviewed GOT episode yet
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:50 pm to buckeye_vol
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:50 pm to buckeye_vol
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We’ve had numerous poster say “it doesn’t make sense,” because it was so too abrupt, extreme, etc. How can those be interpreted as not “shock?”
how do you consider criticizing the writing of something as being shocked that the thing happened?
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Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
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you can like an episode and realize that it completely fricked up the rest of the story
How could you possibly realize this? No one died but 2nd tier characters (Tyrells and Sparrow - RIP HR) , it revealed R+L = J, Arya returns as a faceless man and gets revenge for the RW, Jon named King in the Norf, Cersei shows just how evil she is and the lengths she will go. What exactly happened to let you know then and there the show was going to go off the rails?
Do I think the last two seasons have been rushed? To an extent yes. Do I think some things have been done just to move the show forward (Beyond the Wall) yes. Are some of the scenes forced and contrived (Euron and Jamie fight) yes.
Dany going mad is not one of them. Even though the last 2 seasons are below 6 as far as writing goes I still find them very enjoyable especially the last episode.
But saying S6 Ep10 started some sort of downfall (top 5 episode easily) is ridiculous.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:51 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
quote:Anakin’s turn was no where as believable as her’s, with essentially no development. And it’s possible, if not likely, her turn is no where near as dramatic.
How do you feel about Anakin's turn to the dark side?
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:52 pm to RB10
I think You see that.
Dany iSnt the same when she arrived in Meereen as she is when she leaves. She’s not the same when she arrives in Westeros She’s not the same when shite goes south in weateros.
This isn’t a story of a serial killer. I dont Need to watch her thirst for blood.
She’s shown a temperament that needs to be talked down regularly by her advisors. And those advisors have been either a. Dying or b. Failing her.
Dany iSnt the same when she arrived in Meereen as she is when she leaves. She’s not the same when she arrives in Westeros She’s not the same when shite goes south in weateros.
This isn’t a story of a serial killer. I dont Need to watch her thirst for blood.
She’s shown a temperament that needs to be talked down regularly by her advisors. And those advisors have been either a. Dying or b. Failing her.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:52 pm to buckeye_vol
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Anakin’s turn was no where as believable as her’s, with essentially no development. And it’s possible, if not likely, her turn is no where near as dramatic.
So you disagree with this statement then? It is very possible to see the hints of something possibly happening, and still being able to be critical of the way it was written and played out.
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I just don’t get how people can say “I saw Her potential for this” and then turn around and say “they were lazy and rushed it and this turn was unearned”
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:53 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
I mean did you see in that little kid pod racing a capacity for cruelty?
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:53 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
quote:Because the criticisms I pointed out show shock?
how do you consider criticizing the writing of something as being shocked that the thing happened?
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:54 pm to SammyTiger
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I mean did you see in that little kid pod racing a capacity for cruelty?
So, you agree that his fall was rushed and lazily written?
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:54 pm to buckeye_vol
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You want the layers pulled back, but then you just ignore the layers that were pulled back and interpret it as “she’s crazy.”
Not one single layer of how she went from killing only those who opposed her to killing anyone in her path was revealed.
Did you even watch the last couple of episodes. It was literally, "oh yeah, by the way, Dany is crazy and is going to kill everyone".
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:54 pm to buckeye_vol
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Because the criticisms I pointed out show shock?
Shock in the actual event? No it does not.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:55 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
quote:If I hadn’t seen the original trilogy, I probably would have been surprised and disgusted.
It is very possible to see the hints of something possibly happening, and still being able to be critical of the way it was written and played out.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:55 pm to buckeye_vol
I will Admit I’ve never liked Dany.
People who pumped her up sorta ignored that all her success came through just having dragons.
Almost all of it.
So maybe I am
More included to notice when she’s being a shitty ruler
People who pumped her up sorta ignored that all her success came through just having dragons.
Almost all of it.
So maybe I am
More included to notice when she’s being a shitty ruler
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:56 pm to buckeye_vol
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Anakin’s turn was no where as believable as her’s, with essentially no development
There was as much development comparably.
Do you not remember that time he went and slaughtered those sand people? Was that not an indication that he was going to slaughter a bunch of children in the next movie???
^^^ Y'all's exact argument for the mad queens descent.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:57 pm to RB10
He slaughtered the sand women and sand children too.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:58 pm to RB10
quote:I pointed out both when she had to stopped from doing it earlier, and when she started executing people who she thought stood in her path to send a message and against advice.
Not one single layer of how she went from killing only those who opposed her to killing anyone in her path was revealed.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:58 pm to SammyTiger
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He slaughtered the sand women and sand children too
Yet, everyone pretty much agrees his turn from Anakin to Vader was rushed and poorly done.
It's the same thing here. People just don't want to view it the same because the majority of GOT is a masterpiece. The prequels were a shitshow from the start so bashing them is no big deal.
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 5/14/19 at 4:01 pm to RB10
That went how I figured it would.
"i don't understand how you can see hints of something happening, but still criticize it being rushed/poorly written."
Anakin's turn to the dark side
"Not believable. Very rushed and poorly written"
Posted on 5/14/19 at 4:02 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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That went how I figured it would.
"i don't understand how you can see hints of something happening, but still criticize it being rushed/poorly written."
Anakin's turn to the dark side
"Not believable. Very rushed and poorly written"
Like I said above, most people dislike the prequels so they're fair game. GOT is a different monster because people don't want to see their favorite show criticized.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 4:03 pm to RB10
Except there are smaller steps for Dany that aren’t there.
I am sorry but I cant See a show where dany kills increasingly larger numbers of innocents.
You make it clear that a character has a capacity of pushed to do something horrible. Then you push them.
You don’t have to have hem dip a toe in the murder pool.
That’s not necessary for good writing.
“You learn a lot about someone by how they treat their enemies”
Dany has been brutal.
I am sorry but I cant See a show where dany kills increasingly larger numbers of innocents.
You make it clear that a character has a capacity of pushed to do something horrible. Then you push them.
You don’t have to have hem dip a toe in the murder pool.
That’s not necessary for good writing.
“You learn a lot about someone by how they treat their enemies”
Dany has been brutal.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 4:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Jon Snow is extremely relevant to her.
after the NK is made irrelevant, John Snow is pretty worthless. why would his rejection of her matter?
she still has the Unsullied and Dothraki respawns
she still has 2 (or possibly 1) dragon(s)
why does she need John Snow?
1) She accumulated a large army and dragons to back her, but she truly believed that she had the valid claim after her brother was dead. As it does seem that she believes Jon, that means she's coming to grips with the following:
she doesn't have any claim, other than she has the most military power. Her 'destiny' of returning to Westeros as the rightful heir has been a lie.
2) She has the North as allies due to Jon. She fully comprehends that absent him, she would need to fight and conquer it. Sansa is the focal point, but it's evident that Sansa is only voicing the Northern point of view, not creating it.
3) Jon was her lover, someone she saw at her side going forward. He was actually ideal, in that he both loved her, he provided a huge resource and delivered the North, and he had no ambition to rule himself. He has zero desire to do anything, other than maybe take Ghost hunting up North. And she did come to love him too. It seemed like a perfect match, until the heritage is revealed.
So now- her Essos advisors: Jorah, Daario, Missandei, are all dead. She has a loyal Unsullied army commanded by a yes-man in Grey Worm, who now wants blood. She has the Dothraki who revere her as some sort of Kaleesi/Goddess risen from the flames, and their answer for everything is to kill and crush the enemy, and take whatever they want as bounty. Their entire culture is based on that principle, so advice from them won't be very passive.
Her Westerosi advisors; Tyrion, whose plans are noble but fail in the face of Lannister (Westeros) cunning. And now he's shown multiple times to be compromised by his siblings, he preaches mercy for Cersei and wants Jaime to hang around with.
Olenna Tyrell is gone. Yara Greyjoy is hanging on by a thread and not available, Theon showed at the end that he was more loyal to the Starks than to her. Dorne is a no-show.
Varys was a useful tool, but a dangerous man to have close, and had become increasingly opposed to her plans.
That leaves Jon, who commands the North and seemingly by extension the Veil. He was the lone Westerosi ally who brought something to the table and was available for counsel, and now he is rejecting her. And along with that, he's also not following her wishes in other matters- she begged him to keep this secret to himself, if he didn't want the Throne and would still be loyal. He chose to tell anyway, and Sansa spilled the beans to everyone.
She snapped and went overboard, but I could see the reasoning to send a message at King's Landing. She will rule without opposition, and if not by the love of her followers, she'd create the fear of her retribution.
I'd say Sansa is next on her list, and if she doesn't move to destroy Winterfell directly, she might target the Veil as the source of her power. The Arryn's castle might be safe from armies, but it could be leveled by a dragon.
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