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re: Game of Thrones S8E5 "The Bells" is officially the worst reviewed GOT episode yet
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:25 pm to SammyTiger
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:25 pm to SammyTiger
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She talked about her view point on the commoners.
and it was utterly retarded, especially if that logical leap was used to execute a million innocent people
and EVEN MORE ESPECIALLY if it's used as the justification to show how insane she had become
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Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:26 pm to SammyTiger
quote:Just one member of each ruling family... as punishment for owning slaves. She tried to work with the rest. Eddard wanted to kill Jorah for simply selling slaves. Imagine what he would do if he found out all of his pledged houses had them.
I cant Remember a movie where a true good guy crucified a entire ruling class of a city
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:26 pm to SammyTiger
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We all ignores the fact she was doing something pretty horrible because she was doing it to bad people.
I mean that is one of the central themes of the show. There are no true heroes or villains. Every hero is a villain to the other side.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:They established that she was seen as conqueror, who wasn't accepted by even those she helped (besides Jon). And her sole claim to her power has always been her birthright, and they established most didn't care about anyways. And for those who did care about it, they established a person with a better claim to it and that the word was spreading quickly. And that person has the acceptance that she doesn't have.
but she hasn't ruled a day
Maybe it would be nice to see the inevitable unfold over a few more seasons, and for her to begrudgingly go along with it, like she begrudgingly didn't attack King's Landing from the get go before she eventually went all scorched earth. But we don't need to see the inevitable to accept the reality of it, and even if we wish it would go longer, we knew it was coming to an end sooner rather than later.
And I'm sure you would complain if it just ended with her beginning a very tenuous tenure as a ruler, with Jon slowly gaining support as the ruler, but without seeing the eventual conflict and result.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:28 pm to 3nOut
From early in my post you quoted:
Outside of the raping, which of these was not serving her self-interests, interests that encompassed conquering and ruling?
Just because she showed mercy or did the right thing doesn't mean she hasn't always been the tyrant she is now.
And she's a woman that wanted to stop rapes that she was literally watching? Pin a medal on her!
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that didn't serve her self-interests.
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Stopped the Dothraki from raping. Spared way too many of the maesters. Took down the crucified slaves. Spared one of the three maesters who tried to reslave Meereen. Chained her dragons. Offered mercy to the Tarlys that they thrice rejected. Went north of the wall to save Jon. Let Jon mine dragon glass at no benefit to herself. Went to save the north. Forgave Jorah. Accepted Tyrion.
Outside of the raping, which of these was not serving her self-interests, interests that encompassed conquering and ruling?
Just because she showed mercy or did the right thing doesn't mean she hasn't always been the tyrant she is now.
And she's a woman that wanted to stop rapes that she was literally watching? Pin a medal on her!
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:29 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:Except she was viewed the same in Essos and dealt with it. Now she can’t?
They established that she was seen as conqueror, who wasn't accepted by even those she helped (besides Jon). And her sole claim to her power has always been her birthright, and they established most didn't care about anyways
She was a conqueror to the masters and the salves turned on her. She won the Dothraki because she killed the Khals and she bought the unsullied. Where was the love?
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:33 pm to ell_13
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Except she was viewed the same in Essos and dealt with it. Now she can’t?
A vast majority viewed her as a hero.
She was beloved by the slaves
How did she deal with the ones rejecting her authority?
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:33 pm to ell_13
quote:And from our's and Westeros's perspective, slavery is abhorrent and illegal. So it's easy to not care about murdering slave owners, but it ignores that she decided that the custom of some civilization was worthy of death, despite it being only a reality of the people in that civilization.
Just one member of each ruling family... as punishment for owning slaves. Eddard wanted to kill Jorah for simply selling slaves.
She basically decided that someone like Thomas Jefferson deserved death just as much as a slave-owner who tortured his/her slaves or a slave owner who grew up in a time when slavery was illegal.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:34 pm to SammyTiger
quote:Until she wasn’t.
She was beloved by the slaves
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:34 pm to SammyTiger
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How did she deal with the ones rejecting her authority?
Who in King's landing rejected her authority?
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:34 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:Slavery is just a custom now?
ignores that she decided that the custom of some civilization was worthy of death, despite it being only a reality of the people in that civilization.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:35 pm to SammyTiger
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How did she deal with the ones rejecting her authority?
when did the show, show civilians rejecting her authority?
even in the North, they didn't like her, but they didn't reject her
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:35 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
Who there bowed to her before she burnt the city down?
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:35 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
quote:
Who in King's landing rejected her authority?
even the Lannister army submitted to her authority
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:36 pm to Sasquatch Smash
quote:And Stalin helped defeat Hitler and the Nazi's; we all know how his time as ruler turned out.
And she's a woman that wanted to stop rapes that she was literally watching? Pin a medal on her!
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:36 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:When the south lost, they gave up their slaves. Way more than just the heads of houses died. Why is this a comparison?
She basically decided that someone like Thomas Jefferson deserved death just as much as a slave-owner who tortured his/her slaves or a slave owner who grew up in a time when slavery was illegal.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:36 pm to SammyTiger
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Who there bowed to her before she burnt the city down?
Mental gymnastics.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:37 pm to SammyTiger
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Who there bowed to her before she burnt the city down?
You'll have to forgive me, I must have missed the part where she gave them a choice once they surrendered.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:37 pm to ell_13
What sucks for the show is that GoT is held against a different standard. Obviously there is an amazing source material but D&D have done an outstanding job up to this point adapting it for television. I’m not going to lie and say I like some of the developments for S8 but this show isn’t judged by the same ruler as other mediocre TV shows today. There is no other show with as much scale of the worlds and kingdoms, spinning plates of characters and dynamics, book material to worry of, and above all a rabid fanbase ready to pick apart anything you do.
S8 is disappointing but it’s still great television.
S8 is disappointing but it’s still great television.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
They didn’t overthrow Cersei.
Like the slaves of Meereen
They didn’t flee the city to join her when they had the chance
I am Not agreeing with her, but they did make the point that’s shes not rational at this point.
You can reject that all you want but they set it up.
Like the slaves of Meereen
They didn’t flee the city to join her when they had the chance
I am Not agreeing with her, but they did make the point that’s shes not rational at this point.
You can reject that all you want but they set it up.
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