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re: Game of Thrones S8 E5 "The Long Melt." Official Thread
Posted on 5/13/19 at 1:01 pm to RemouladeSawce
Posted on 5/13/19 at 1:01 pm to RemouladeSawce
All of you people referencing the bells are fricking morons. The bells signified surrender. That all. It means basically the city had officially given up and everything after that was murder. It was just a sign for all the hoodies to understand she was just batshit crazy. Except some of you still didn’t catch it
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Posted on 5/13/19 at 1:15 pm to Mystery
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You mean the 4 or 5 you saw come back? They multiply up?
I mean, it’s an HBO series based upon a set of fantasy books, not a documentary of real events or actual footage from a real event.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 1:16 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
There was always a tension with Dany. And it is framed in this question:
“What would Dany do if decent people simply didn’t want her as queen?”
She really only had ONE solution if anyone opposed her and it was always fire. In Esos, the above question was slowly raised over time as people slowly began to question her. Her frustration mounted but those closest to her kept her in check by constantly saying “DON’T DO THAT ONE THING!”
But the question and tension remained. What would she do if people simply didn’t want her?
When she came to Westeros she was met by a whole realm of people who had no desire or want for her to be their queen. They didn’t need her. There were no slaves. No real suffering. Just politics. The common people were just...people.
They already had Jon and Cersei and Sansa. Who is she to them?
Well this pissed her off but she sucked it up and sacrificed her army to save the living hoping to win their affection.
In the process, she lost all those she cared about, trusted, and who kept her in check while watching Jon gain MORE affection. She saw people only respected her because Jon bent the knee, not because they simply wanted her.
Her best friend, her most loyal advisor, two dragons, 75% of her army all died before her eyes. Tyrian failed her in her eyes, Varys committed treason, and Jon betrayed her trust. She was alone, unstable, and feeling unwanted all while being royally pissed off.
So what would she do when decent people simply didn’t want or need her while she had no one to reign in her ONE desire to burn and to conquer?
She burned and conquered.
“What would Dany do if decent people simply didn’t want her as queen?”
She really only had ONE solution if anyone opposed her and it was always fire. In Esos, the above question was slowly raised over time as people slowly began to question her. Her frustration mounted but those closest to her kept her in check by constantly saying “DON’T DO THAT ONE THING!”
But the question and tension remained. What would she do if people simply didn’t want her?
When she came to Westeros she was met by a whole realm of people who had no desire or want for her to be their queen. They didn’t need her. There were no slaves. No real suffering. Just politics. The common people were just...people.
They already had Jon and Cersei and Sansa. Who is she to them?
Well this pissed her off but she sucked it up and sacrificed her army to save the living hoping to win their affection.
In the process, she lost all those she cared about, trusted, and who kept her in check while watching Jon gain MORE affection. She saw people only respected her because Jon bent the knee, not because they simply wanted her.
Her best friend, her most loyal advisor, two dragons, 75% of her army all died before her eyes. Tyrian failed her in her eyes, Varys committed treason, and Jon betrayed her trust. She was alone, unstable, and feeling unwanted all while being royally pissed off.
So what would she do when decent people simply didn’t want or need her while she had no one to reign in her ONE desire to burn and to conquer?
She burned and conquered.
This post was edited on 5/13/19 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 5/13/19 at 1:17 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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It means basically the city had officially given up and everything after that was murder.
Yes lets believe Lannister's it has worked out so well for everyone on the show. Right?
She took this in her own hands and made sure there was no way she was going to be double crossed.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 1:32 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
quote:Let's lay this down in emotionless statement, like in a history book.
She said right before that the people who come after will be spared the horror. That’s the better world she meant
Dany came to take the Iron Throne. She gave several chances before the fight to lay down arms and pledge fealty, and other than to Cersei, she told people that she would not further punish them- IF they submitted. If they don't submit, she would not chain them up, and she would not allow them to sit and fester opposition.
She gave this choice to Tarly, and very clearly spelled it out for him. He flatly refused. He doesn't get to say "oh shite, I apologize, I didn't think you were serious" when Drogon inhales just before letting a blast out. That's too late, you've already chosen to be defiant and fight.
The same thing happens to King's Landing. Dany offered a final chance to surrender in Ep 4, and they chose to decline it. When they lined up outside the city walls the morning of the battle, they were coming in force and anger, and the time to plead for mercy had passed. And total devastation ensued.
The message going forward is this- don't snub the offer of mercy going forward. Don't blindly follow the city leaders who are being prideful. If you provoke the Dragon Queen, you will feel her wrath, and it will be terrible.
Sparing King's Landing would negate this, it would allow for "how far can we push this before we quit?"
The answer now is, "not at all. We don't push it at all"
Posted on 5/13/19 at 1:38 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
While there were things I didn't care for last night, overall I liked the episode and thought it was very good. I am sure there is rampant bitching about this one, and I have not read the entire thread yet, only the last coupe of pages.
Dany going nuclear was a little odd. Yes we all figured she would turn mad queen, and yes we have seen her kill innocent people and be cold-blooded before, but good Lord to just kill SO MANY innocent people (and in that fashion) was just weird. It didn't really bother me too much though, because she has been pretty inconsistent throughout the show. So why would that change now at the end?
I did think it was a little ridiculous at how explosive the dragonfire was. That has always been inconsistent. Who knows if the dragons can intentionally do that or not, but sometimes we see them burn men to ash, other times people are just badly burned by it, and then sometimes it sets things on fire, and other times is literally makes ships explode and damages stone fortresses like a nuclear bomb. At one point I told my wife it looks like Drogon has a laser and is just cutting through King's Landing with it.
Tyrion turning Varys in was something I didn't care for. I guess I get why he did it, but I think he would've been smart enough to realize that Varys was right and would have somehow tried to make it work. But at the same time, he was on thin ice with Dany and so that may have bought him some extra time on her good side. Of course, he turned right around and let Jaime go, so who knows.
I really liked the scene with Tyrion and Jaime. That was great. The Arya/Hound (sorry....Sandor) scene was great too. It was good to finally see Arya make a smart decision and understand that he was looking out for her.
The Clegane Bowl was pretty damn good IMO. It was great that Hound kept laughing at not being able to kill his brother because he was some sort of zombie thing. And the Mountain killing Qyburn was awesome as well.
The Jaime-Euron fight was decent as well. Although they should've had Jaime take less damage. To walk off those multiple stabs to the sides was a bit much (and that was a BIG knife). And Euron's whole "I'm the man who killed Jaime Lannister" thing was weird since literally nobody in the world knows they fought.
As much as I want to hate Jaime's turn back toward Cersei, it actually does make sense. She's the one person who has always been able to control him. And I thought he had finally broken free of her shite when he learned she hired Bronn to kill him, but I guess he puts the pussy on a pedestal more than most others. I was also hoping that his little speech to Brienne was bullshite, and he was only leaving to get back to Cersei so he could kill her. But it actually makes sense that he would come running like a whipped dog. She is his weakness, and like he's said several times before, she is the only thing in the world that important to him (besides his brother). And as much as I would've liked to see Cersei meet a death at the hands of someone (including Jaime), I guess I'll take her being crushed to death in the dungeons/crypts of the Keep.
All in all, aside from some odd moments and obviously some rushed plots, I really enjoyed this episode. And we finally got to see some legit consequences for some huge characters.
Dany going nuclear was a little odd. Yes we all figured she would turn mad queen, and yes we have seen her kill innocent people and be cold-blooded before, but good Lord to just kill SO MANY innocent people (and in that fashion) was just weird. It didn't really bother me too much though, because she has been pretty inconsistent throughout the show. So why would that change now at the end?
I did think it was a little ridiculous at how explosive the dragonfire was. That has always been inconsistent. Who knows if the dragons can intentionally do that or not, but sometimes we see them burn men to ash, other times people are just badly burned by it, and then sometimes it sets things on fire, and other times is literally makes ships explode and damages stone fortresses like a nuclear bomb. At one point I told my wife it looks like Drogon has a laser and is just cutting through King's Landing with it.
Tyrion turning Varys in was something I didn't care for. I guess I get why he did it, but I think he would've been smart enough to realize that Varys was right and would have somehow tried to make it work. But at the same time, he was on thin ice with Dany and so that may have bought him some extra time on her good side. Of course, he turned right around and let Jaime go, so who knows.
I really liked the scene with Tyrion and Jaime. That was great. The Arya/Hound (sorry....Sandor) scene was great too. It was good to finally see Arya make a smart decision and understand that he was looking out for her.
The Clegane Bowl was pretty damn good IMO. It was great that Hound kept laughing at not being able to kill his brother because he was some sort of zombie thing. And the Mountain killing Qyburn was awesome as well.
The Jaime-Euron fight was decent as well. Although they should've had Jaime take less damage. To walk off those multiple stabs to the sides was a bit much (and that was a BIG knife). And Euron's whole "I'm the man who killed Jaime Lannister" thing was weird since literally nobody in the world knows they fought.
As much as I want to hate Jaime's turn back toward Cersei, it actually does make sense. She's the one person who has always been able to control him. And I thought he had finally broken free of her shite when he learned she hired Bronn to kill him, but I guess he puts the pussy on a pedestal more than most others. I was also hoping that his little speech to Brienne was bullshite, and he was only leaving to get back to Cersei so he could kill her. But it actually makes sense that he would come running like a whipped dog. She is his weakness, and like he's said several times before, she is the only thing in the world that important to him (besides his brother). And as much as I would've liked to see Cersei meet a death at the hands of someone (including Jaime), I guess I'll take her being crushed to death in the dungeons/crypts of the Keep.
All in all, aside from some odd moments and obviously some rushed plots, I really enjoyed this episode. And we finally got to see some legit consequences for some huge characters.
This post was edited on 5/13/19 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 5/13/19 at 1:40 pm to CocomoLSU
I agree with pretty much all of that.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 1:45 pm to NawlinsTiger9
So I wonder if they will answer the question of did Ellaria Sand die when Dany demolished the keep.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 1:46 pm to Dam Guide
Pretty sure that’s a given
Posted on 5/13/19 at 1:47 pm to CocomoLSU
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All in all, aside from some odd moments and obviously some rushed plots, I really enjoyed this episode. And we finally got to see some legit consequences for some huge characters.
It was, by far, the best episode of the season.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 2:00 pm to WicKed WayZ
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So why did she rage out?
The old witch's curse from season 1 has finally been overcome and Dany can have children again. Of course, that will also come with some nasty PMS she hasn't dealt with in a long time.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 2:05 pm to Antonio Moss
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It was, by far, the best episode of the season.
Not exactly high praise
Posted on 5/13/19 at 2:05 pm to Dam Guide
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So I wonder if they will answer the question of did Ellaria Sand die when Dany demolished the keep.
My money is on Howland Reed revealing that to us next week.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 2:11 pm to LosLobos111
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The targaryens are a cursed family
This show has given us a good lesson on the dangers of incest (pay attention Bama fans). Dany was a product of incest (parents were brother and sister), was raised as a Targ, and went batshit insane. Jon, on the other hand, is one generation removed from incest (his father had the same sibling parents as Dany), but Rhaegar had sex outside of his family, Jon was subsequently raised as a Stark, and is relatively normal.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 2:20 pm to CocomoLSU
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I really liked the scene with Jamie and Tyrion
Yea I did too when Tyrion thanked Jamie for being the only one of his immediate Lannister family to not treat him like a monster, that was powerful TV drama imho. Cersei and Tywin hated Tyrion and blamed him for their mothers death. Even that piece of dung Lancel Lannister and Uncle Kevin treated Tyrion with contempt. I glad Tyrion and Jamie got to say goodbye.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 2:40 pm to bamagreycoat
Politically Tyrion has sucked. But he delivered 2 of the better scenes in this episode. Saying goodbye to Jamie and Varys
This post was edited on 5/13/19 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 5/13/19 at 2:42 pm to SammyTiger
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Politically Tyrion has sucked. But he delivered 2 of the better scenes in this show. Saying goodbye to Jamie and Varys
It seems like he had a handful of very powerful scenes each season for the first 4 seasons. Then he was basically reduced to nothing once he escaped Westeros. Season 5, in particular, was incredible disappointing from his point of view.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 2:43 pm to VinegarStrokes
Yeah he was relatively wasted in Essos.
This season and last was bad.
It’s interesting watch him trying to do the right thing vs the correct thing. I think He was always better dealing with his family. As the sorta likable face of the Lannister’s.
Idk, I like tyrion. Hope he doesn’t get burnt alive.
This season and last was bad.
It’s interesting watch him trying to do the right thing vs the correct thing. I think He was always better dealing with his family. As the sorta likable face of the Lannister’s.
Idk, I like tyrion. Hope he doesn’t get burnt alive.
This post was edited on 5/13/19 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 5/13/19 at 2:47 pm to SammyTiger
quote:
Yeah he was relatively wasted in Essos.
This season and last was bad.
It’s interesting watch him trying to do the right thing vs the correct thing. I think He was always better dealing with his family. As the sorta likable face of the Lannister’s.
Idk, I like tyrion. Hope he doesn’t get burnt alive.
I'm okay with him being burnt alive at this point. He failed Daeny completely, and is arguably the biggest catalyst to Daeny going mad. Had be been good at his job and measured in his advice, then Daeny probably never goes mad. He should feel guilty for what happened in King's Landing because he could have stopped it by not being a dumb shite.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 2:48 pm to TeLeFaWx
Ummm...other than trusting Cersei, Tyrion hasn’t been a bad advisor. Dany was just too retarded to listen to him.
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