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re: Game of Thrones S8 E5 "The Long Melt." Official Thread
Posted on 5/13/19 at 11:05 am to SLafourche07
Posted on 5/13/19 at 11:05 am to SLafourche07
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but I can't think back to her ever harming someone who was un-involved (maybe that's a better word).
You can’t get too much more uninvolved than killing someone for a crime that they opposed, which was committed by someone else
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Posted on 5/13/19 at 11:06 am to Dr RC
Let's just appreciate some memes:
Posted on 5/13/19 at 11:07 am to Carson123987
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i would be absolutely shocked if it played out as it has on the show. Book Jaime swore off Cersei long before Show Jaime did, and I dont think he will have the Brienne romance nor will he rekindle his love for Cersei.
I do think they die in each other's arms, but he will be the one to end her.
Who knows
That’s basically how I felt. I thought “into the fire” basically indicated he was done with her. But the comments from the showrunners and Martin indicated the end would be the same for the major characters, presumably including Jaime. I want to believe D&D called and audible and the books will be different, but I’m starting to feel that it may be wishful thinking on our part.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 11:12 am to bbrownso
quote:Go to the hillsides and watch the battle. Evacuate the city entirely, go elsewhere (refugees), Oldtowne maybe. You KNOW she, her Dothraki and her dragon are coming for King's Landing.
You realize that the Dothraki (part of the army facing the city) is renowned and feared throughout the world. Remember when Robert was scared of the Dothraki screamers coming over to Westeros when he was King?
Yep, totally reasonable for regular citizens to just go outside, if the Lannister guards/the Golden Company, and hang out with the people renowned for destroying towns and enslaving people.
What those people wanted was a chance at safety. And it could have easily been achieved.
Let it play out, then act accordingly.
It's not like Dany has been ravaging the countryside along the way, like the Night King was. She had yet to attack a single other city or fortress outside of Casterly Rock, and there wasn't a massacre there. There's no reason to hide inside KL, you move to another area and then see what happens.
Curious, what would Gendry's reaction be? I mean, I know the viewers are crying "the people", but for those not present that day, you knew a battle was coming, she won in spectular and bloody fashion, and now the war is over. The goal was to remove Cersei, and that was achieved.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 11:13 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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You can’t get too much more uninvolved than killing someone for a crime that they opposed, which was committed by someone else
They were a part of the masters. People are blamed and held accountable for actions a group they belong to commit all of the time.
Robert Baratheon was okay with the slaughter of Targaryen children when they were innocent/uninvolved.
Is he mad? Would he have done this?
This post was edited on 5/13/19 at 11:15 am
Posted on 5/13/19 at 11:14 am to SLafourche07
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but they were still a part of the people who were her enemy.
According to her, the peasants who ran to King's Landing were part of a people with her enemy. She flat out says they should of risen up against Cersei for her and since they didn't too bad so sad.
She may have well done the same in Meereen had there not been an uprising in her name.
shite, when she is the beggar queen of the red waste she tells the people of Qarth if they don't let her in and aid her they will be the first city she comes back to burn down.
This post was edited on 5/13/19 at 11:20 am
Posted on 5/13/19 at 11:17 am to SLafourche07
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They were a part of the masters. People are blamed and held accountable for actions a group they belong to commit all of the time.
Robert Baratheon was okay with the slaughter of Targaryen children when they were innocent/uninvolved.
Are they mad? Would he have done this?
They weren’t all involved is the point. She executed many that were not slavers and outwardly opposed it
And Robert was trying to kill what he considered possible usurpers. It’s shitty killing kids, but we know Bobby B was ruthless. Dany has shown ruthlessness with a side of impatience
Posted on 5/13/19 at 11:18 am to SLafourche07
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They were a part of the masters. People are blamed and held accountable for actions a group they belong to commit all of the time.
So Lincoln would have been justified had he randomly executed the heads of families in the South b/c they were of the group that rebelled against the US? It wouldn't have mattered if some of them had voted against secession and refused to participate in the Civil War?
Just b/c it often happens doesn't mean it's not nuts to do. Dany has shown herself to be little more than a slightly kinder version of her brother for while now.
This post was edited on 5/13/19 at 11:22 am
Posted on 5/13/19 at 11:19 am to Dr RC
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She may have well done the same in Meereen had there not been an uprising in her name.
shite, when she is the beggar queen of the red waste she tells the people of Qarth if they don't let her in and aid her they will be the first city she comes back to burn down.
Good points.
And I'll say again, I have no probably will the heel turn and suspected it was coming. I just feel it was rushed, but that's an issue with the time constraints of the show not the outcome.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 11:23 am to Dr RC
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So Lincoln would have been justified had he randomly executed the heads of families in the South b/c they were of the group that rebelled against the US? It wouldn't have mattered if some of them had voted against secession and refused to participate in the Civil War?
I've never mentioned justification. My only contention is it's a far leap from doing that to burning down the Confederate capital and everyone in it.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 11:35 am to Brettesaurus Rex
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People really think Dany going mad is just so out of left field? That's insane. Everyone she trusts is dead or has betrayed her. Jon is the one who convinced her to face the night king, falling in love. Now he doesn't anymore. She doesn't have a legitimate case for the throne anymore. Cersei decapitates her best friend in front of her. She literally says "I have no love here. Let it be fear then." I mean how much more does it need to be fleshed out?
Even the behind the episode video made a good point related to yours - how many times throughout the series has she said that she was going to take what was hers with fire and blood? Now she did it and people are surprised.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 11:38 am to Dr RC
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Wrong. Several of the masters she crucified were innocent of the crime she had them crucified them over.
You think this is a gotcha but it's not. Some of the men she had executed may have been innocent of the crime they were accused of committing, but they were still slavers. And when it came to light that she might have killed innocent men, she didn't take it too well.
Because this is the same woman who chained and imprisoned her dragons when it came to light that they might have fileted a little kid.
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Then, when the SotH (people who are simply resisting a foreign invader who is systematically destroying their entire culture BTW) are killing her soldiers she once again starts killing nobles at random in retaliation.
A culture based entirely upon slavery. The Sons of the Harpy were simply the nobles' attempt at keeping power and keeping their slaves. Dany wasn't trying to erase their culture, she was merely trying to erase slavery. If that is all their culture ever was then sucks to suck.
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Saying she never killed an innocent person is straight up false.
She killed disgusting people who turned out to be innocent of the crime they were accused of committing. She always went after the 1% who were trying to stop her, either directly or indirectly, from achieving her goals of freeing the people and "breaking the wheel." Never once did she kill anyone without reason. The fact that they were innocent only came to light after the fact.
There was nothing she had done before S8E5 to set up what happened at King's Landing. Never once had she ever gone after the common people. Never once had she attacked women or children. But we're supposed to accept what she did because she accidentally executed innocent slavers back in season five? Come on.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 11:40 am to theGarnetWay
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how many times throughout the series has she said that she was going to take what was hers with fire and blood? Now she did it and people are surprised.
Well there is a very good question of making a better world. I guess some of us thought burning the weak and powerless peasants was a bit too much.
I mean, okay, take out the walls. Innocents will die but it can be managed. But then you destroy the Red Keep. Again, some innocents would die but not necessarily her fault too much and not too over the top.
Dany systematically burned the city FIRST and AFTER the army in the city surrendered.
This post was edited on 5/13/19 at 11:43 am
Posted on 5/13/19 at 11:42 am to bbrownso
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Well there is a very good question of making a better world. I guess some of us thought not burning the weak powerless peasants was a bit too much.
I mean, okay, take out the walls. But then you destroy the Red Keep. Dany systematically burned the city FIRST.
She said right before that the people who come after will be spared the horror. That’s the better world she meant
Posted on 5/13/19 at 11:47 am to RollTide1987
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You think this is a gotcha but it's not. Some of the men she had executed may have been innocent of the crime they were accused of committing, but they were still slavers
Didn't Hizdahr zo Loraq say his father was explicitly working against the institution or something to that effect?
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Never once did she kill anyone without reason
Burning POWs alive like she did the Tarlys isn't morally okay - even if they were being stubborn about not wanting to bow. Tyrion warned her of this and when Sam found out he immediately went to Jon about his name.
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The Sons of the Harpy were simply the nobles' attempt at keeping power and keeping their slaves.
There was an explicit scene about not all of the Sons of the Harpy being some wealthy nobles. When Daario stabbed that guy who was hiding in the wall in his small little house for example.
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Well there is a very good question of making a better world. I guess some of us thought not burning the weak powerless peasants was a bit too much. I mean, okay, take out the walls. But then you destroy the Red Keep. Dany systematically burned the city FIRST.
Oh I agree, it was all morally wrong. I just don't think it should be surprising as it was to some.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 12:14 pm to theGarnetWay
Anyone think that Cersei and Jaime might not be dead?
Posted on 5/13/19 at 12:14 pm to craigbiggio
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Anyone think that Cersei and Jaime might not be dead?
Yeah there was one other idiot in here
Posted on 5/13/19 at 12:15 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
Posted on 5/13/19 at 12:17 pm to craigbiggio
Glad you can take a joke baw. So many uptight people on this board
Posted on 5/13/19 at 12:35 pm to TigerCruise
So kind of like The Last Jedi, which is exactly what I said.
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