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re: Game of Thrones S8 E5 "The Long Melt." Official Thread
Posted on 5/13/19 at 10:17 am to hendersonshands
Posted on 5/13/19 at 10:17 am to hendersonshands
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I’m not mad about Dany going crazy. I saw that one coming for a while. I’m mad about how shitty it’s all coming together. Nothing really seems out of the realm of possibility but it’s all just missing nuance and subtlety.
That’s a bingo
Breaking Bad kinda had a same problem with the pacing near the end but the gripping performances and dialogue masked that.
The dialogue in GOT has zero bite now
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Posted on 5/13/19 at 10:18 am to NawlinsTiger9
Are we 100% certain that both Jaime and Cersei are dead? I am leaning towards a yes being that it would be fitting for them to die together but I could see a twist coming where Cersei emerges from the rocks. Jaime is probably dead since he was going to die anyway from the stabbing. I don't know if there would be any point to that kind of twist because Cersei has literally no one left on her side but with this show you just never know.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 10:18 am to MF Doom
Was the wildfire going off during the battle part of the hidden caches the Mad King had hidden in the city?
Posted on 5/13/19 at 10:20 am to Ssubba
Yes
Posted on 5/13/19 at 10:20 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
quote:But she just picked out a random 163 assuming they were all slavers. It was only later when one of their sons was brave enough to speak up that she found out she fricked up.
I mean she had reason to
Posted on 5/13/19 at 10:20 am to BigB0882
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Are we 100% certain that both Jaime and Cersei are dead? I am leaning towards a yes being that it would be fitting for them to die together but I could see a twist coming where Cersei emerges from the rocks. Jaime is probably dead since he was going to die anyway from the stabbing. I don't know if there would be any point to that kind of twist because Cersei has literally no one left on her side but with this show you just never know.
A frickin castle fell on them baw
Posted on 5/13/19 at 10:21 am to King George
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But she just picked out a random 163 assuming they were all slavers. It was only later when one of their sons was brave enough to speak up that she found out she fricked up.
That was my point with the no trial comments
Posted on 5/13/19 at 10:23 am to GeauxTigers2020
quote:You mean, of those that chose to hide behind Cersei's gates for protection from her and her armies? Well, technically, all of them. Those that didn't oppose her would have left the city, possibly to watch and cheer her armies on... there's plenty of tales of people coming to see great battles throughout history, until basically the last decade.
Which of the women and children running for cover in the streets were opposing her?
Posted on 5/13/19 at 10:32 am to musick
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What would be even funnier to me is that if the rumor is true that the books 6/7 are done and just waiting for GOT to finish and D&D have been pulling from source material the whole time
While the books may not be done, this is the most likely truth. It's amusing the number of posts about how there's "no way" so-and-so goes out like this in the book. People clinging to hope that Martin will come in and save the day with conclusion that fits their predictions.
Or the theories that Martin will rework the story based on response to the series. He's said several times that he doesn't let fan theories determine his story.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 10:34 am to ohiovol
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Just curious, what are your thoughts about Martin’s plan for Jaime? I was/am certainly upset he didn’t kill Cersei, but I find it hard to believe D&D, for all their faults, deviated on this one.
i would be absolutely shocked if it played out as it has on the show. Book Jaime swore off Cersei long before Show Jaime did, and I dont think he will have the Brienne romance nor will he rekindle his love for Cersei.
I do think they die in each other's arms, but he will be the one to end her.
Who knows
Posted on 5/13/19 at 10:35 am to Scoob
quote:You realize that the Dothraki (part of the army facing the city) is renowned and feared throughout the world. Remember when Robert was scared of the Dothraki screamers coming over to Westeros when he was King?
You mean, of those that chose to hide behind Cersei's gates for protection from her and her armies? Well, technically, all of them. Those that didn't oppose her would have left the city, possibly to watch and cheer her armies on... there's plenty of tales of people coming to see great battles throughout history, until basically the last decade.
Yep, totally reasonable for regular citizens to just go outside, if the Lannister guards/the Golden Company, and hang out with the people renowned for destroying towns and enslaving people.
What those people wanted was a chance at safety. And it could have easily been achieved.
Remember when Dany was upset that the Northerners didn't trust her immediately? Seems so long ago, doesn't it?
Posted on 5/13/19 at 10:35 am to TigerFanInSouthland
Most unbelievable part of the episode was the Northern Soldier attacking Jon because he broke up his rape attempt. As if you’d attack your commanding officer over something so stupid.
Also, they put in about 20 minutes too many of rubble falling. I get it. The situation is bleak. It got repetitive pretty quickly.
The military leaders in this show are idiots. Repeatedly choosing to fight outside of the defenses of the city, completely forgetting that trying to lay siege to a cfortress with stone walls is difficult as hell. Nope, let’s not use our advantage!
How Tyrion didn’t know Jaime would try to save Cersei instead of escaping is beyond my comprehension.
Euron/Jaime battle was ridiculous.
Didn’t care for The way Jaime and Cersei went out.
Other than that, the episode was spectacular.
Clegane bowl and Jon’s horror when Grey Worm killed the surrendering soldier were the best parts.
Also, they put in about 20 minutes too many of rubble falling. I get it. The situation is bleak. It got repetitive pretty quickly.
The military leaders in this show are idiots. Repeatedly choosing to fight outside of the defenses of the city, completely forgetting that trying to lay siege to a cfortress with stone walls is difficult as hell. Nope, let’s not use our advantage!
How Tyrion didn’t know Jaime would try to save Cersei instead of escaping is beyond my comprehension.
Euron/Jaime battle was ridiculous.
Didn’t care for The way Jaime and Cersei went out.
Other than that, the episode was spectacular.
Clegane bowl and Jon’s horror when Grey Worm killed the surrendering soldier were the best parts.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 10:37 am to Wayne Campbell
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What would be even funnier to me is that if the rumor is true that the books 6/7 are done and just waiting for GOT to finish and D&D have been pulling from source material the whole time
D&D have said multiple times they meet with GRRM regularly and he shared with them the outline of how he has the story ending. they arent pulling all of this out of left field. The dialogue and filling in the blanks is where they are missing his writing.
This post was edited on 5/13/19 at 10:38 am
Posted on 5/13/19 at 10:38 am to Salamander_Wilson
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How Tyrion didn’t know Jaime would try to save Cersei instead of escaping is beyond my comprehension.
He literally freed him and said go save Cersei and start a new life across the narrow sea together.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 10:38 am to dallastiger55
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The dialogue and filling in the blanks is where they are missing his writing.
The haters can’t fall back on that. They’re saying the story doesn’t make sense since season 5
Posted on 5/13/19 at 10:43 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
Let’s be honest. They didn’t need 80 to 90 minutes per episode this season. They could have done everything within an hour. All they have done is unnecessarily extended a bunch of scenes.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 10:45 am to SabiDojo
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They could have done everything within an hour.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 10:53 am to SLafourche07
Man these threads are usually good for catching stuff I might have missed on the episode but I didn't even get that out of it. What a shite show.
People really think Dany going mad is just so out of left field? That's insane. Everyone she trusts is dead or has betrayed her. Jon is the one who convinced her to face the night king, falling in love. Now he doesn't anymore. She doesn't have a legitimate case for the throne anymore. Cersei decapitates her best friend in front of her. She literally says "I have no love here. Let it be fear then." I mean how much more does it need to be fleshed out?
And forgetting that Cersei is literally using them as a human shield. She couldn't care less about any of them.
People really think Dany going mad is just so out of left field? That's insane. Everyone she trusts is dead or has betrayed her. Jon is the one who convinced her to face the night king, falling in love. Now he doesn't anymore. She doesn't have a legitimate case for the throne anymore. Cersei decapitates her best friend in front of her. She literally says "I have no love here. Let it be fear then." I mean how much more does it need to be fleshed out?
And forgetting that Cersei is literally using them as a human shield. She couldn't care less about any of them.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 10:55 am to SLafourche07
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But she has done nothing to show she will harm innocent people until this moment.
Wrong. Several of the masters she crucified were innocent of the crime she had them crucified them over. She was pissed that 163 kids were crucified earlier and wanted revenge. Ser Barristan Selmy (a guy most of this board had a raging hard on for) begs her to show mercy but she ignores him. Hizdahr later tells her his father and many other masters were against what a different faction of masters were doing. Since she indiscriminately crucified 163 of them in retaliation with zero trial his father (who could have been an ally that helped her transition into power) ended up dead.
Doing this is what led to ALL the masters turning against her and the rise of the Sons of the Harpy. Then, when the SotH (people who are simply resisting a foreign invader who is systematically destroying their entire culture BTW) are killing her soldiers she once again starts killing nobles at random in retaliation. She straight up says that she has no idea if the people she is about to kill are innocent or not but she is going to burn them anyway. She then forces Hizdahr to either marry her or get torched himself.
Saying she never killed an innocent person is straight up false.
This post was edited on 5/13/19 at 11:00 am
Posted on 5/13/19 at 11:03 am to Dr RC
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Saying she never killed an innocent person is straight up false.
"Innocent" might not be the 100% best word, but I can't think back to her ever harming someone who was un-involved (maybe that's a better word).
Yes, some of the masters weren't guilty of the crime, but they were still a part of the people who were her enemy.
I'd liken it to if this past episode Dany had just swooped down and burned all of the Lannister soldiers who had just surrendered instead of destroying the whole city and everyone in it. While still in bad taste I don't think she'd be getting the same push-back that will be coming next episode. Jon wouldn't be happy about it, but it wouldn't lead to the same reaction that is coming.
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