re: Game of Thrones S8 E2 "A Knight of Seven Kingdoms." Official Thread

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Once upon a time.

There’s a reason Martin has distanced himself from it.

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Yeah, he can’t finish the books

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Once upon a time.

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I guarantee you they will still win some awards.

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There’s a reason Martin has distanced himself from it.

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He said his ending is going to be similar to the show’s ending because he told them how he wants it to end. So there’s probably going to be a lot of characters coming together in the book ending too. But he doesn’t care enough to finish them so we’ll never really find out.

Oh yeah Mr Man ? Well I enjoyed it and will rewatch twice. So there.

I really enjoyed the episode, the foreboding, the settling of old disputes, seeing them all together etc. I don’t need it to be intellectually stimulating, I just need it to be emotionally satisfying down the stretch run. I’m appreciative that I got to enjoy the series, I don’t need to deconstruct it, it’s not that important to me.

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GOT isn't the first series to fall off a cliff (and get the same sorts of responses). i remember the exact same things being said when TWD was called out. the funny thing is, now EVERYONE hates TWD and it's acceptable to be negative about it. why? are all the people who abandoned TWD "miserable" because they quit?

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Probably because the two aren’t that comparable.

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That Davos and Gilly scene. Woof

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i cannot describe how much i wanted to laugh at that bullshite last night

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if they didn't mention smithing at all, would it have made a difference to you? was smithing ever a topic you thought about during the height of this show? again, was it necessary? no.

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After they got all that dragonglass last season, you didn't think smithing it into usable weapons would be relevant? And you don't think them bringing back someone seemingly important early on, who is known to be a great smith, is important?

Is it necessary? You say no and I guess by the very definition of the word, you're correct. But it seems fairly damned important to turn that random DG into actual, usable weapons. And it also allows some interactions between characters (like Gendry, Arya, Hound, etc.).

You seem hellbent on pointing out what is "necessary" versus not. And that is a slippery slope, because like it or not, none of this is necessary. They could've just rushed the reunions and jumped into this battle halfway into the first episode. But then you know what? You would've been bitching about them rushing that and saying shite like "So Arya and Jon haven't seen each other in almost a decade, and they don't even show them hugging it out and talking???"

No matter what they do, they won't please you. You've all but admitted that over and over. The only real reason I am still arguing with you at this point is because I like you and like arguing with you..

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that's not really true, though. when you write a story, you want to leave as much extraneous stuff out of it as possible

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But that is never what this show has done. Literally ever. They have always focused on seemingly unimportant things. shite, I would contend that most of Dany's storylines across the Narrow Sea were almost literally pointless and she could've been in the exact same spot she is now with half the screen time. Same thing with someone like the Hound or Beric Donderrion.

This show has never left extraneous stuff out. So why you would expect it to now is strange to me, and makes no sense. Even if your argument is that they are down to the final hours of the show, my counter to that is that you can't know what is in store and therefore can't jump to your conclusion yet.

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re-introducing Gendry doesn't directly further anything. that's why it's fan service.

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It brings back a relatively important character from before, brings back a great smith which solves the weapons problem, and brings up a love interest for Arya, which she hasn't had yet and sort of humanizes her. You are straight up obtuse and disingenuous at this point with that.

Now, if you want to argue the awkwardness of the Arya/Gendry sex scene, I won't argue with you. It felt weird and awkward, no doubt. But the actions were in line with the characters and it made complete sense given their dire situation(s).

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i can't remember if i said it in this thread or another, but they're also giving them all of this (terrible) development that occurred offscreen. they're all competent and noble and not real characters anymore. the bad part about this is all the writing and delivery is so hollow and hammy it's all terrible.

GOT was great when it was trying to show normal people doing normal people behaviors (to varying degrees of intelligence and competency). now everyone is john snow and the delivery is damn near camp (and i hate camp most of the time). the product is often, almost, like a parody of GOT

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Again, I won't argue with the campiness of some of it. IT is 100% there, no doubt. But at the same time, some of it sort of has to be. I mean, it was almost "campy" to see Sam give his family sword to Jorah. But in the context of the show, it made 100% sense. Was it necessary? Of course not. But it was cool that it happened IMO, not only to give Jorah motivation, but also as a sign of respect that Sam had for Jorah's father.

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this basic thing was said last week. hell even i said they'd get a pass if they used their time well (but i didn't have faith). they basically did a repeat of episode 1 (and tried to recreate the Blackwater battle episode and failed miserably)

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I won't argue that this was similar to last week. But I will offer up that there is a difference between reunions and then characters interacting with each other. Last week was all about getting all of these characters and plots into one place. This week was seeing them interact with each other in order to set up the downfall of many of them next week (I assume).

Like I said earlier, it felt like filler a little bit, but at the same time it was enjoyable and felt like normal, human interactions as opposed to just filling time before the battle. It reminds us what all (and who all) is at stake. These are all real people, with real relationships, and they are almost all completely intertwined with each other at this point. It's a good thing IMO to see some of that before shite hits the fan. And I also think it is okay to do some throwbacks and nods to earlier seasons/situations without it being considered strictly "fan fare." It reminds us where these characters came from. Is it necessary? Of course not. But then again, neither is most of the show by your definition.

Does Gendry being Robert's bastard/heir mean anything anymore? Who else knew that before he told Arya?

Who has a stronger claim, a Targaryen or a Baratheon? Doesn't the Baratheon line still technically wear the crown?

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don’t get how Sansa is genuinely more emotional seeing Theon than she ever has been with Jon.

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When Sansa and Jon reunited for the 1st time, she was more emotional than with Theon.

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Criticism is also a fun exercise. It forces you to understand why you don’t like something.

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Holy shite, someone spear this bitch with dragon glass, please.

I didn't understand the Dany/Sansa scene. Jon has already bent the knee. It is a done deal.