re: Game of Thrones S8 E2 "A Knight of Seven Kingdoms." Official Thread

I thought of Melisandre when Baric was saying that too. You know she’s not far from the action. If I had to guess, she’s going to be very close during the battle next episode, and she’ll play a part

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Why wouldn't all of those meandering storylines come together and get some resolution?

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a. i don't think there is a singular resolution (and since the battle happens in episode 3 and we have 3 left, there won't be)

b. in this theme, i think a major issue D/D fricked up was giving too many characters plot armor. so you combine their desire to condense all stories into a singular Winterfell battle along with allowing too many to live (or at least be part of the story) and you get this jumbled mess. hell in season 7 they reintroduced a ton of characters that just added littl to the overall plot and took away precious time (Beric, Gendry, etc)

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It's not "fan service" to show Podrick getting better at swordplay. They are about to fight WWs and it was (as someone pointed out) basically in the background of a Jaime/Brienne scene. How is that "fan service" when we've seen him want to learn and seen Brienne training him several times?

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i'll ask you like i did the other guy? why was it necessary?

for a show running dredfully low on time, it has to be written hyper efficiently to properly resolve everything

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Why is it "fan service" for Grey Worm to kiss Messandei before going to battle? It may be the last time they see each other in life.

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it's not necessary. we know their feelings and what they are off screen. it added nothing new or necessary to the plot

there are only 2 reasons to force them in. 1, so Hodors can go "oh yeah i remember them" and 2. so the 2 actors can get an episode's pay

the first is fan service. the 2nd is just D/D being nice guys to long-term actors

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You expect it to be doomed,

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-expect
+know

i did NOT expect 2 filler episodes occupying 1/3 of a short season 8. that was shocking (in the bad way)

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you will bitch about it and argue about how much it sucks, because you EXPECT it to

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me predicting this isn't some magic. with how terrible season 7 is, and where it left things off, and with 6 episodes to complete the story, it was basically guaranteed.

i'm not the only person who predicted this. it's not even special

Biggest plot twist of all...season 8 ends with a tease for a season 9

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She said she was going to Essos because Davos said he would kill her the next time he saw her

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Perhaps they're setting up for her to show up with a bunch of red priests and devout followers to help turn the tide of battle at the last moment.

Y’all think Bronn makes it to Winterfell next week?

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But are bitching that these people, on what is likely the last night to live for most of them, doing just that...being realistic and interacting with those they care about.

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Yeah, people need to get a grip. This was the calm before the storm episode and I thought it was great.... yeah Arya getting down with Gendry was creepy, but I can see why she’d want to get laid once before she died. I don’t have any major problem with the episode and liked most of the character interactions.

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She said she was going to Essos because Davos said he would kill her the next time he saw her

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Yeah, but if I'm not mistaken the last time we saw her was with Varys at Dragonstone. Varys explicitly tells her that she shouldn't come back. She then replied that she is coming back and that her and Varys would die in Westeros.

LINK

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Then how has Jon been kicking arse this long while always doing the right thing for the most part?

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You mean the guy that got shanked to death in a alley by his political opponents?

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b. in this theme, i think a major issue D/D fricked up was giving too many characters plot armor. so you combine their desire to condense all stories into a singular Winterfell battle along with allowing too many to live (or at least be part of the story) and you get this jumbled mess. hell in season 7 they reintroduced a ton of characters that just added littl to the overall plot and took away precious time (Beric, Gendry, etc)

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They were loose ends though. So why not bring them back? It's not like they are killing screen time for more important things right now. I have no idea why Beric was brought back, but maybe we haven't seen why just yet. And Gendry was brought back to smith all of these weapons obviously. shite, I remember there was a time when a lot of us bitched about Gendry getting on a boat from Davos and never being seen again, and how dumb that was because they made it seem like he was important. Well now they brought him back and we see why, but you are bitching about that.

It's literally a no win situation with you. And that's fine because I know that's how you are with shite like this, but it's still worthy to be called out though.

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i'll ask you like i did the other guy? why was it necessary?

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It's not necessary. But nothing is "necessary" really though. I'll ask you this: Why was a one minute scene with GW and Messandei a bad thing? They are characters that have been important for half of the show's existence, and they have grown as characters (GW more than Mess.). So why is it a bad thing to have them briefly talk about the future and say goodbye for potentially one last time?

In your own words, this show was built upon realistic human interactions. So why is that bad to show that very human moment between the two of them?

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for a show running dredfully low on time, it has to be written hyper efficiently to properly resolve everything

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Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that they are using their remaining time super efficiently, because I am not. Did we need the scene with Arya, Hound, and Beric drinking atop the castle? Of course not. But then again, this entire episode was the quiet before the shitstorm that is about to happen, so I will allow them some time to have some "human" moments (as you said that you like) with some of these characters that we've known for ten years before they die. And moreover, those three characters were together for the majority of a season a while back. So it made sense that they would end up together again at some point now that they are all a) still alive, and b) in the same place.

shite, most of the episode was VERY human and realistic IMO. Who wouldn't want to get some arse if they never have before and thought they were dying tomorrow (Arya/Gendry)? Who wouldn't want to make a move on someone they are infatuated with (Tormund)? Who wouldn't want to hug/kiss the person they love before they were sent off to death (GW/Messandei)? Who wouldn't want to spend their last night alive shooting the shite with people they care about (the fire group)? Etc.

Every bit of that is not only human, but realistic reactions for people in that situation IMO.

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i did NOT expect 2 filler episodes occupying 1/3 of a short season 8. that was shocking (in the bad way)

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Neither did I. But with how it has played out, it at least makes some sense. And what we are talking about as "filler" is actually storylines and plots coming together that have taken years to develop and intertwine.

The Dany/Jon Aladdin scene? Total filler IMO. The Bran/Jaime scene, not filler at all IMO.

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me predicting this isn't some magic. with how terrible season 7 is, and where it left things off, and with 6 episodes to complete the story, it was basically guaranteed.

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Exactly. You expect it to fail, and so anything they portray onscreen = a fail to you. They could literally end these last four episodes exactly how you think they should, but you would still be here bitching about them because you predicted they would suck and so you have to stick to that. Your desire to be right trumps any expectations that may or may not be met (and you've already said you have very few). The only reason you are continuing to watch is so you can go on and on about how "right" you were.

And yet raised to be the King of the North.