re: Game of Thrones S8 E2 "A Knight of Seven Kingdoms." Official Thread

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Gonna be honest with you, I don’t think Daenerys plays it particularly well either.

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Show isn’t over yet. Let’s see how it plays out for her. They’re playing up her weak points now

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Show isn’t over yet. Let’s see how it plays out for her. They’re playing up her weak points now

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Put me squarely on the side (and I’ve said it multiple times in this very thread) that she goes mad queen by the time series ends. I don’t think she makes it out alive.

SFP:

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a super major issue is just fan service.

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Isn't the point of the ending of pretty much all major entertainment sources fan service, at least to some degree? I mean, what is the point of having this vast fictional universe of people if not to resolve their plot lines and stories, and have the plots merge in the end?

I see you bitch about "fan service" a lot with this show, but what is your problem with that? Are we not supposed to see Jon reunite with Arya? Or Arya and the Hound? Or Arya want to become a woman? Or Tormund try to get him some Brienne before he dies? Or Bran and Jaime have some sort of resolution? Or showing that Pod's training with Brienne is going well? Or having some of the show's major characters left drinking and staying warm in front of a fire to be human and have one last night of "fun"? Etc.

You do realize it's not solely for the fans that they are doing this, right? It's to resolve and end lots of stories before most of these people die.

Now, if you want to say we have two sort of "filler" episodes with only six in this season and bitch about that, then I am on board with that (although I have thoroughly enjoyed both episodes). But I feel like E1 was the "reunion" episode where almost all stories converged, and E2 was a total setup for the big battle. So while they kinda were filler, they didn't really feel like it to me (except the Jon/Dany dragon ride...that was over the top stupid IMO).

I know you said you have little-to-no expectations for S8, but I just don't know what you expected or wanted to see. The stories are converging and (I assume) lots and lots of these characters are about to die. So letting Grey Worm and Missandei kiss or letting Arya get some D for the first time...those aren't really "fan service" things to me. They are seemingly natural reactions by people who think they are about to die the next day. Why is that so bad?

I mean shite, you literally just posted this:

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praising nobility is certainly not what this story was built around. this story was built around much more realistic and human interactions and motivations

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But are bitching that these people, on what is likely the last night to live for most of them, doing just that...being realistic and interacting with those they care about.

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And boom, Ghost is back.

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so i completely missed Ghost. wtff

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Ned Stark was killed because he believed others were noble

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no he was killed because he was noble

go back to his talk with Varys in the jail in season 1

May have been mentioned but not reading back through all the bitching.

Nut no knight king sighting.

Must be in King's landing from Brann's earlier vision. Doing a pincer movement on Winterfell or just burning shite down.

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Put me squarely on the side (and I’ve said it multiple times in this very thread) that she goes mad queen by the time series ends. I don’t think she makes it out alive.

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I think so too. She doesn’t make sense in the end. Her dragons don’t make sense in the end. Either she dies, or she sees the war through and realizes she doesn’t belong in this world as ruler (leaning towards this). I’d bet she either directly or indirectly kills someone in anger (thinking Jorah), and she has a sudden change of heart. The war ends, and she and Drogon go to live in peace on their own

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And yet the Night's Watch (particularly Jon) trained fighters all the time to defend against the very enemy they are preparing to fight right now.

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i believe those kids/recruits who become rangers are supposed to be much younger and able

the older, more useless guys become their versions of masons/builders or support/service roles (cooks, porters, etc)

the night's watch isn't all warrior types. that's a relatively small portion of the population

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no

and this show is built on being anti-fan service, so especially not this show

remember your shock when ned actually died?

remember the reactions when Oberlyn was killed after we all thought he beat the Mountain?

remember the red wedding, when our savior Robb was killed?

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You are missing my point. I am specifically talking about endings. I'm not talking about old shite. I am talking about the ending. Why wouldn't all of those meandering storylines come together and get some resolution? That is the entire point in almost every single piece of entertainment (books, movies, shows, etc.).

If the plot lines were all over the place, you'd be bitching that they aren't converging. But they are all converging and coming to an end, yet you are bitching about "fan service."

It's not "fan service" to show Podrick getting better at swordplay. They are about to fight WWs and it was (as someone pointed out) basically in the background of a Jaime/Brienne scene. How is that "fan service" when we've seen him want to learn and seen Brienne training him several times? It's a resolution to that small thing that took a few seconds in the background of a scene.

Why is it "fan service" for Grey Worm to kiss Messandei before going to battle? It may be the last time they see each other in life.

Same with Arya/Gendry. Same with the people around the fire. Etc.

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that's 100% true and on the back of a crippling season 7 that was also rushed. all of these issues could have been resolved with 2 full, 10 episode seasons that didn't jam it all together but D/D fricked it all up. like i said last week this season is doomed because of the world they built up to this point.

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I won't argue with you that D&D aren't the best writers. I get where you are coming from with that. I agree S7 felt awkward and rushed at times, and ever since the show began to surpass the books, the writing has gone down. But that doesn't mean it's terrible. It's just not as good as when it was based on a gigantic base of information. And that is understandable IMO.

IMO this is the problem right here:

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like i said last week this season is doomed because of the world they built up to this point.

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You expect it to be doomed, and in a way, want it to be. And no matter what they do onscreen, you will bitch about it and argue about how much it sucks, because you EXPECT it to. This isn't the first time you've done this.

I feel like we’ve seen all these plot lines converging and characters coming together but the one person I had not thought about until last night was Melisandre. When Beric was taking about the Lord of Light that made me think of her. I honestly don’t remember the last time she was seen in the series but I don’t think she’s dead. Someone correct me if I’m wrong.