re: Game of Thrones S8 E1 "Winterfell" Official Thread

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But, hypothetically, if they were to defeat the Night King together Dany could still demand he bend the knee afterwards. Then what's his play?

ETA: I just find it comical/stupid that it's even an issue. What part of "zombie army led by White Walkers" do they not comprehend? You can't beat them OR Dany's army, you kinda have to fall in line.

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A bit off topic, but what was Cersei's play in the truce talks-
"the King in the North will remain in the North, and not take up arms afterwards"?

Was Cersei offering the North independence? Because it sounds like the North wouldn't accept any Southern ruler, and whoever is on the Iron Throne would have to deal with that revolt at some point.
And ironically enough, it's the North most threatened by the Night King (immediately, although everyone is at risk). So these Northern lords are petulantly sitting and wanting independence while simultaneously needing "the protector of the Seven Realms" to rescue them...?

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Now, this is the exact quote of what Jon says to Lady Mormont:
“I had a choice. Keep my crown or protect the North. I choose the North.”

That response is a lie.

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I see what you're saying, but maybe you aren't using the best words to get your point across. Technically, Dany didn't come to Jon with a bend the knee or die proclamation, but Jon makes it sound like that - probably to make it sound better/easier for the people of the North to accept. I don't think it's a lie more than it is him just openly admitting he doesn't want the crown though.

I have no idea how the people of the North will react if/when it gets out that Jon is a Targ.

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The weapon Arya wants built. Wonder who it will be for?

I think it's being set up to be worth at least 1 great kill..

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It's a spear, or a projectile, depending on scale.

She had a season's worth of experience training with a staff vs the waif, so a staff with dragon glass tip would be something she could use.
I almost thought a blowgun, something we saw employed by Jacen. Killed the guy coming to tell Tywin. Interesting concept, how much dragon glass actually is needed to kill a wight or a White Walker? Would a tiny dart suffice?

Y'know, when she showed Gendry the dagger, I was wondering if she was going to ask him to rework that. It's kind of big, relatively speaking... might you be able to draw it out into a longer, thinner blade? Like... NEEDLE, but Valerian steel version?

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They had to keep Bronn and Cersei apart due to the actors’ contracts.

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Explain this

They absolutely despise each other and have it in both of their contracts that they will not film scenes together or even be on the same set.

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I have no idea how the people of the North will react if/when it gets out that Jon is a Targ.

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I would think they would get over it, he is still just as much Stark as he was when they thought he was Ned's bastard.

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Unless Bran or Sam do an 11th hour media blitz, nobody will know until after they engage the Nigh King's army in earnest.
At that point, if they survive, then I'd say "thank you for saving us with your armies and dragons" would be the reaction to Dany.

and as I said before, the Wildlings should be all-in for her anyway. They followed Tormund's lead.
Jon: dude let us through the wall, got us involved in the revolt of the Night Watch, Battle of the Bastards, and put us on the Wall.
Dany: flew up on her dragon, saved Tormund from certain death beyond the wall, pledged to kill the Night King with her dragons and army.
The Wildlings are probably more practical than the Northerners, and she'd be the more effective ally, IF you had to choose one or the other.

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A bit off topic, but what was Cersei's play in the truce talks-
"the King in the North will remain in the North, and not take up arms afterwards"?

Was Cersei offering the North independence?

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I think it was just a way to better her odds of somehow defeating Daenerys. At that point I don't believe she intended on letting anyone be independent.

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Dude is out here doing everything he can think of to save the world, and people supposedly close to him keep turning on him for it. Literally all the guy cares about is saving everyone’s asses, yet he is made out to be some idiot that doesn’t know what he’s doing.

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Uh... welcome to leadership at any level, albeit it on a much smaller scale obviously

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Since John has already died once

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The lord of light brought him back. Only he and Beric (& SH in book) have been brought back to life by lord of light. I would think NK can most likely kill Jon, but I dont think NK can turn Jon into a wight. Not really any basis for this but just my hunch.

*I think NK can probably use the undead Mountain as he was brought back by Qyburn voodoo.

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Dany didn't come to Jon with a bend the knee or die proclamation, but Jon makes it sound like that - probably to make it sound better/easier for the people of the North to accept.

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He knew that they would all die if they didn't unite, and that was the only way to unite. I don't think he was sugar coating it.