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re: Game of Thrones S8 E1 "Winterfell" Official Thread
Posted on 4/15/19 at 1:09 pm to Not Cooper
Posted on 4/15/19 at 1:09 pm to Not Cooper
Oh man I can't believe I read through this whole thread.
Precursor, I'm a Sam/Gilly fan *ducks*. I think this is showing how wise Sam has become. He is educated and level headed enough to know that, even after learning of his dad and brother's death, if Bran is telling him to drop everything and do something important it damn well means it's time to push your personal feelings aside and do what needs to be done. Minor observation, though.
What I really wanted to touch on was the Arya/Sansa relationship in this episode. I'm not a big fan of the 'Littlefinger isn't dead' theory, but just to play devil's advocate:
Petyr is really a faceless man. Maybe Sansa is dead and he is actually playing 'Sansa'. Thereby, when Arya calls Sansa the smartest person she knows....it's really just a coy foreshadow alluding to the fact that Sansa is Baelish, and is indeed the smartest person she knows. If you think about the scenes from this episode with Sansa and mentally replace her with Baelish they almost make more sense. Especially the one with Tyrion. Wildcard is that Arya is 'in the know' and is working with him.
Again, just devil's advocate. I don't think I buy that theory, but it's interesting to think about on a "if it actually is true" level.
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4) Dany broke the news to Sam that his father and brother were killed, then as he asks to be dismissed and is stumbling around dealing with his emotions, Bran immediately tells him "You gotta go confront Jon RIGHT NOW" - I realize they don't have much time to mess around but that 30 second transition seemed a little forced.
Precursor, I'm a Sam/Gilly fan *ducks*. I think this is showing how wise Sam has become. He is educated and level headed enough to know that, even after learning of his dad and brother's death, if Bran is telling him to drop everything and do something important it damn well means it's time to push your personal feelings aside and do what needs to be done. Minor observation, though.
What I really wanted to touch on was the Arya/Sansa relationship in this episode. I'm not a big fan of the 'Littlefinger isn't dead' theory, but just to play devil's advocate:
Petyr is really a faceless man. Maybe Sansa is dead and he is actually playing 'Sansa'. Thereby, when Arya calls Sansa the smartest person she knows....it's really just a coy foreshadow alluding to the fact that Sansa is Baelish, and is indeed the smartest person she knows. If you think about the scenes from this episode with Sansa and mentally replace her with Baelish they almost make more sense. Especially the one with Tyrion. Wildcard is that Arya is 'in the know' and is working with him.
Again, just devil's advocate. I don't think I buy that theory, but it's interesting to think about on a "if it actually is true" level.
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Posted on 4/15/19 at 1:11 pm to TigerstuckinMS
Oh true, I guess the prophecy only applied to her and Jaime’s kids, assuming this new pregnancy doesn’t come to term.
Although her child that died of fever may actually be Gendry. He says his mother died but had blonde hair, and it would be like Cersei to tell Robert their child died just to spite him.
Although her child that died of fever may actually be Gendry. He says his mother died but had blonde hair, and it would be like Cersei to tell Robert their child died just to spite him.
This post was edited on 4/15/19 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 4/15/19 at 1:12 pm to theGarnetWay
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Petty? Yes. Stupid? I don't think so.
Every time a Northern leader goes down South something bad happens. You choose a new one and the first thing he does is bring up a Targaryen who brings with her tens of thousands of foreign Dothraki and Unsullied.
If you're Northerners you've never seen either of those groups, but you've probably heard a lot of scary stories about them growing up.
Then they let it be known that they've invited the Lannister army North. The army whose family orchestrated the Red Wedding that butchered every Northern house and family to some degree.
Honestly, it would have been stupid to not have portrayed the North as very wary of Dany, her army, and her intentions.
This is particularly true since no Northern leader except Jon has even seen the WWs. Yes, he can preach about them all day everyday, but it's hard to understand the magnitude of the threat without every seeing it first hand.
Exactly. Just because you (the viewer) can understand what is going on, that does not mean the North should trust two families that have been conquering and murdering them for decades when they roll up.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 1:15 pm to Not Cooper
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If it did come down to that, Jon wouldn't be able to kill Dany, so clear advantage Dany there. Another reason I don't think it would happen - it would just be too obvious a result
Dany is about to kill Jon, who can't hurt Dany, so Arya steps in out of nowhere and slits her throat, while whispering in her ear that it will all be ok.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 1:19 pm to Fe_Mike
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If you think about the scenes from this episode with Sansa and mentally replace her with Baelish they almost make more sense
I think this just goes to show how much Sansa has learned from Littlefinger (and cersei) and has come into her own
Posted on 4/15/19 at 1:19 pm to Fe_Mike
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Oh man I can't believe I read through this whole thread.
I got thru 25 and then skipped to last page- all I'd seen to page 25 was 'omg it sucked, my frat bros said so' vs 'shut the hell up idiot it was the first episode' comments.
What page would someone go to for actual show talk and interesting commentary?
Posted on 4/15/19 at 1:22 pm to piggilicious
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What page would someone go to for actual show talk and interesting commentary?
Go to altshiftXs YouTube page. Did a live reaction video that is legit but lengthy
Posted on 4/15/19 at 1:24 pm to wildtigercat93
Will do- thanks.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 1:25 pm to alabamabuckeye
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Although her child that died of fever may actually be Gendry.
I 100% think that is the case. A trueborn heir to the throne.
EDIT: I don't think they'll broach the subject, though. Too little time and too much to cover.
This post was edited on 4/15/19 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 4/15/19 at 1:26 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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Can we get OML’s opinion on Bronn being sent after the Lannister brothers?
Sorry for the rant. Started drinking at 7:00 my time watching Tiger and then stepped up to Dornish wine for the show.
This post was edited on 4/15/19 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 4/15/19 at 1:29 pm to piggilicious
I’m really curious to see where the hell they go with this after Episode 3.
Does Winterfell get wrecked or do they stop them? I think we lose 5-6 big to major characters in the Battle of Winterfell, but I personally think NK fricks everybody he can and then keeps moving south to KL.
Next week’s episode will end with the NK and his army showing up on Winterfells doorstep. I imagine it’s a good bit more of dialogue and filler until that point then it’s a wild ride until the end.
Does Winterfell get wrecked or do they stop them? I think we lose 5-6 big to major characters in the Battle of Winterfell, but I personally think NK fricks everybody he can and then keeps moving south to KL.
Next week’s episode will end with the NK and his army showing up on Winterfells doorstep. I imagine it’s a good bit more of dialogue and filler until that point then it’s a wild ride until the end.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 1:30 pm to TigerstuckinMS
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Although her child that died of fever may actually be Gendry.
I 100% think that is the case. A trueborn heir to the throne.
What? Cersei is the only blonde whore in King's Landing? Ha.
However, that would be an interesting route to take. It would make him legitimate to the Baratheon claim and would immediately resurrect that family line from extinction.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 1:30 pm to Fe_Mike
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if Bran is telling him to drop everything and do something important it damn well means it's time to push your personal feelings aside and do what needs to be done
I think it's the opposite. Sam learning that Dany killed his family made it personal. Hell, the first thing out of his mouth was about the executions
Posted on 4/15/19 at 1:46 pm to MF Doom
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I think it's the opposite. Sam learning that Dany killed his family made it personal. Hell, the first thing out of his mouth was about the executions
Agreed.
Also, the scene was amazing. You really saw the conflict within Sam. Great acting.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 1:49 pm to Ollieoxenfree99
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Why does Bran shun his family and say "I'm not Bran anymore," but give a shite about the guy that pushed him out a window, 9 years ago? I think Bran has evil intentions or that's some stupid, inconsistent writing.
You are seeing it at surface level, there is likely something underneath that they will get to later on. But the build up to I'm not Bran, and no connections to what he used to be, was completely off if we take it he was waiting for Jaime due to their past. So likely there will be something we just aren't seeing yet.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 1:53 pm to Im A Dinosaur Rawr
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You are seeing it at surface level, there is likely something underneath that they will get to later on. But the build up to I'm not Bran, and no connections to what he used to be, was completely off if we take it he was waiting for Jaime due to their past. So likely there will be something we just aren't seeing yet.
I don't think Bran will tell anybody what Jamie did to him. He is beyond caring about personal things anymore it seems. I believe he will tell everyone the truth about why Jamie killed the Mad King. If anything he will help Jamie next week.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 1:58 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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Bron is only loyal to gold. And she wants to kill them with someone they care for and trust. It adds salt to the wound
Cersei doesn't trust Bron. She knows he won't kill either brother. She wants to either make it look like she ordered her brother to be murdered, or she wants Bron to fail so she can justify murdering him. She's still pissed that Bron set up the meeting between Tyrion and Jaimie. That set up this whole mess, at least in cersei's mind
Posted on 4/15/19 at 1:59 pm to MF Doom
quote:Sam's upset, but objectively he's wrong.
Sam learning that Dany killed his family made it personal. Hell, the first thing out of his mouth was about the executions
He asked Jon 2 questions:
1) She executed my family who were prisoners. Would you have done that?
2) You gave your crown up to save the North (Westeros, mankind, whatever), would she have done that?
Ok- let's look.
Jon's first day, first 10 minutes as Lord Commander of the Watch. He orders Janos Slynt to go to some castle on the Wall and restore it. Slynt refuses. Jon has him dragged out into the courtyard, at which point Slynt recants and begs for mercy. Jon chops his head off.
compare that to the Tarly executions. Dany states she is not here to butcher, they can bend the knee and get zero repercussion for fighting against her. Tarly- frick that, never. Dany states she will not chain or imprison, to refuse is to be executed, because she's not going to let an enemy go free. Tarly- frick that, never. Tyrion begs her to send Tarly to the Wall and take the black; Tarly- frick that, I won't do it.
Dany- dracarys.
Question 2, give up the crown.
Dany's stated goal for accumulating the Dothraki and Unsullied- come take the Iron Throne.
Her plan as laid out by her Hand- lay siege to Kings Landing, starve out Cersei.
The big chessboard by the end of Season 7,
the Dothraki and Unsullied surround Kings Landing, she has destroyed the main Lannister force, and with it a lot of the food they were bringing. Euron's fleet is in the Harbor, easy pickings for the dragons.
She has victory (and the Iron Throne) at hand, she can follow Tyrion's plan and wait. Or she can turn the Red Keep into Harringhal and end it quick.
Instead, she withdraws and moves North, to fight the Night King and try to save Winterfell.
So, question 2- yes, she's willing to give up the crown, or at least wait.
By the way, Jon is lying, and Sam is wrong about him
Either the writing is messed up, or Bran is up to something.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 2:01 pm to TigerstuckinMS
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Tommen
Myrcella
Joffrey
...and her firstborn son, Robert's actual son, the black haired infant that got a fever and died.
The witch's prophecy seems off or there's some wrinkle we don't remember from it.
Well in the books, Cersei tells Ned that she was pregnant with Robert's child but used moon tea to abort it. I'm assuming the show didn't want to touch on abortion and also wanted to make Cersei more sympathetic early in the story and changed to where it died as an infant.
So the prophecy, even the one shown for the show, doesn't fit anymore. I'm assuming they forget they made that change in season one when they did the prophecy in season five.
Fun little tidbit for the valonqar crowd; that part of the prophecy wasn't included in the show.
Cersei prophecy scene
This post was edited on 4/15/19 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 4/15/19 at 2:02 pm to emanresu
quote:Do you have a link to that?
In the "after the episode" interview with the producers, they said she intentionally led him to that conclusion with her actions to let him think he figured it out on his own. She had a reason to plant that idea:
If so, they're departing from her book character and making her far more cunning. As I've said, in the books, Varys especially does some fairly horrible things to keep her on the throne so she can continue to ruin herself.
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