re: Game of Thrones S8 E1 "Winterfell" Official Thread

Y'know, one thing I will comment on; for all the passive-aggressive anti Dany stuff everyone from the North is doing, it comes across as very petty and stupid.

Dany could be coming North without Jon Snow at her side, with all 3 dragons, less Dothraki and Unsullied, but more ex-Lannister and Tyrell troops- after burning Cersei out of the Red Keep. And she would be coming NOT to save the North, but to conquer it.
Cersei used the truce and ceasefire to gather another army, but Dany's speech, Jon's speech (7:10), those were honest. War and thrones don't matter vs the Dead.
That's why Jaime is showing up with hat in hand to fight alongside them, even if the rest of Cersei's forces aren't.

"The North doesn't know her, they don't trust her".
Well, they chose Jon, he chose to follow her. Dany gave him access to the Dragonglass, the only weapon 99% of those soldiers will use that will be effective (very few have Valerian steel).

And they follow Sansa, who was invited to the truce talks to see for herself. She chose to send Brienne, who agreed this should be done. But Brienne's a Southerner- oh well, that was Sansa's choice of ambassador. She should have sent someone else too, maybe Royce's next in command. Or Lady Mormont- her few soldiers wouldn't prevent a Littlefinger coup, but her voice in accepting Jon's bargain would have been big.
It's a shame that Qyburn and Euron, of all people, probably are more aware than the North itself, that Dany and her forces are the North's only hope.

"The Wildlings don't know her, don't trust her"... that's pretty bullshite if you think about it. Who do THEY trust?
Tormund. The only people who made it out of Hardhome are those who chose to put their faith in Tormund, they were the ones who got on the boats.
Tormund would be dead if it wasn't for her and Drogon. And Tormund knows that she saved him, the Hound, and the rest, even though the only person she knew on the back of the dragon was Jorah. Everyone else was a stranger, Jon was lost at that moment. She then was on the Wall afterwards... that again is Tormund, as that was Eastwatch, HIS keep.
Tormund knows her and has spoken with her at the Wall, although it wasn't shown onscreen. He should have his people all-in.

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King's Landing needs a ye olde OB/GYN

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OBGYN

QYBURN

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I'm thinking she was faking it to manipulate Jaime/Tyrion.

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She didn't tell Tyrion that she was pregnant. He figured it out. That's why I think she is. But as others have said, she probably won't live to deliver the child.

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was hoping we would never see Yara again

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Yara fricking suuuuuuucks. Im so glad they let theon go his own way. He's too rich of a character to just be his sister's sidekick

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She fricks everything with a dick in the books. It's pretty spot on for her character.

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Does she bang mountain in the book

I feel like getting smashed by his telephone pole of a dick would be right up her alley

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Does she bang mountain in the book

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No, but she may or may not have fricked Moon Boy for all I know

This has probably already been discussed (I haven't sifted through all of the pages yet), but I'm wondering if they are setting up a Jon vs Dany showdown at some point, maybe even the final episode. Sam is already putting the idea in his head. And I bet at some point soon Jon will see the Targ come out in her when she decides someone has to be burned alive with dragon's fire (maybe even next week with Jamie).

If they do go down this road, the fact that they will have to cram that in behind the WW battle and the battle with Cersie will suck. As much as they needed more episodes last season, it looks like they might've needed even more for this one.

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If they do go down this road, the fact that they will have to cram that in behind the WW battle and the battle with Cersie will suck. As much as they needed more episodes last season, it looks like they might've needed even more for this one.

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i said this earlier today but they only have 5 episodes left. they have to go all in on a war or politics. trying to half arse both is going to be bad

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Y'know, one thing I will comment on; for all the passive-aggressive anti Dany stuff everyone from the North is doing, it comes across as very petty and stupid.

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Petty? Yes. Stupid? I don't think so.

Every time a Northern leader goes down South something bad happens. You choose a new one and the first thing he does is bring up a Targaryen who brings with her tens of thousands of foreign Dothraki and Unsullied.

If you're Northerners you've never seen either of those groups, but you've probably heard a lot of scary stories about them growing up.

Then they let it be known that they've invited the Lannister army North. The army whose family orchestrated the Red Wedding that butchered every Northern house and family to some degree.

Honestly, it would have been stupid to not have portrayed the North as very wary of Dany, her army, and her intentions.

This is particularly true since no Northern leader except Jon has even seen the WWs. Yes, he can preach about them all day everyday, but it's hard to understand the magnitude of the threat without every seeing it first hand.

I guess I contradicted myself a bit because on one hand I say there’s no way Dany gives up her title to Jon but on the other I call out the selfishness of the houses. But I can understand Dany’s selfishness after everything she has been through, plus she has TWO DRAGONS! These northern houses are having trouble even scrapping together a few wagons and horses. They need to bend that knee to the the reborn Snow and trust his judgment. That little witch of house whatever needs to get GOT too. I hope the Night King javelin throws her from Winterfell to the Wall.

Also, one other thing I wanted to complain about was how bad those special effects were on the dragon ride. That show has so much money in its bank and you’re telling me they can’t go out and get the best CGI the business has to offer? They complain about the CGI costs of more dragon screen time and battles and then the dragons with Snow and Dany look like something out of Dragonheart with Dennis Quaid from 1996.

Otherwise, looking forward to the rest of the season. That dead kid at the end was one of, if not the creepiest thing they’ve done so far in the season. Hope it gets darker.