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re: Game of Thrones S8 E1 "Winterfell" Official Thread

Posted on 4/15/19 at 12:41 pm to
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
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Posted on 4/15/19 at 12:41 pm to
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Does she bang mountain in the book

I feel like getting smashed by his telephone pole of a dick would be right up her alley


Well, yes, that's how sex works...if they were to bang.
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
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Posted on 4/15/19 at 12:41 pm to
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I'm wondering if they are setting up a Jon vs Dany showdown at some point,


I believe that they are but I believe that it won't be long or drawn out. It'll probably be Jon telling Dany who he is and her being defensive and them arguing a bit about how convenient it is that Jon finds this out now and Jon claiming he didn't ask for any of this. They'll either agree to address it after the war or they will agree to get married and rule together.
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 4/15/19 at 12:42 pm to
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If that's the actual order, then Aerys is dead, Rhaegar is dead. Jon is unborn, so the throne would go to Viserys as the eldest living Targ, right? That's if it were not in the midst of a revolt and exile. I mean, you can have a child monarch with a regent ruling until the child is ready, but you don't delay succession while waiting on a pregnancy, do you?

If that's the case, wouldn't the succession after Viserys go to Danaerys first, then to Jon?



That's not how primogeniture works. Rhaegar is the eldest son of the king, that means everything goes to him and then to any male heir that he produces
ok, if that's accurate, thanks for the clarification.

Honestly wasn't sure how things work in that case.

Remember, we talking:
King.
son 1 (current heir)
son 2,
daughter
That order

Son 1 (heir) dies first. King is still alive. Son 1's widow is pregnant, but anonymous (not that that matters I guess).

King dies, widow is still just pregnant.
You're saying there is no King at this point, that everything is waiting for her to give birth.
IF: she doesn't lose the baby, that infant then becomes the next King.
if you worry about male heir only, you also wait to see if child is male or female.

Still, that's a pretty flimsy claim in public opinion; the heir (Rhaegar) kept his annulment and 2nd marriage secret. Sam can only confirm Rhaegar had done that, he doesn't have a name for the 2nd person. You know he ran off with Lyanna Stark, but there's no written record of her being the wife.

Bran confirms it is Lyanna, but quite honestly, only Bran knows for sure that he isn't just hallucinating from seizures incurred by the injuries he got from the fall.
And conveniently enough, Bran (a Stark) doesn't reveal this info publicly that his half brother (the King in the North) is actually the heir, until he shows up at the head of Dany's army and already has 1 hand on the controls.

That's plenty good for the North, who love Jon. But objectively for the other Houses, that's pretty fishy.

Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 4/15/19 at 12:43 pm to
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Honestly, it would have been stupid to not have portrayed the North as very wary of Dany, her army, and her intentions.

This is particularly true since no Northern leader except Jon has even seen the WWs. Yes, he can preach about them all day everyday, but it's hard to understand the magnitude of the threat without every seeing it first hand.


Not to mention the general feeling of unease after all the preaching about the boogeymen from all your stories marching down towards you.
Posted by The Egg
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Posted on 4/15/19 at 12:45 pm to
one plot hole i have already spotted:

does Winterfell have that many wheelchair ramps for Bran?
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
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Posted on 4/15/19 at 12:46 pm to
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does Winterfell have that many wheelchair ramps for Bran?


No and that's why he never leaves the courtyard
Posted by Bamatab
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Posted on 4/15/19 at 12:46 pm to
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I believe that they are but I believe that it won't be long or drawn out. It'll probably be Jon telling Dany who he is and her being defensive and them arguing a bit about how convenient it is that Jon finds this out now and Jon claiming he didn't ask for any of this. They'll either agree to address it after the war or they will agree to get married and rule together.

I was thinking they are setting up for a full fledged battle between the two, top the point to where Jon will have to kill Dany, or maybe vise versa. I'm thinking a very small scale version of the Dance with Dragons. It would definitely fit the bittersweet ending that GRRM stated with Jon and Dany teaming up to stop the WWs, but then one of them having to kill the other in the end.
Posted by Not Cooper
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Posted on 4/15/19 at 12:46 pm to
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does Winterfell have that many wheelchair ramps for Bran?


Considering he didn't leave the courtyard that whole episode, there may not be any
Posted by emanresu
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 4/15/19 at 12:47 pm to
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She didn't tell Tyrion that she was pregnant. He figured it out. That's why I think she is.

In the "after the episode" interview with the producers, they said she intentionally led him to that conclusion with her actions to let him think he figured it out on his own. She had a reason to plant that idea: to make him think that she now has something to live for, making him believe she was sending the army north, when, in fact, she isn't.
Posted by hg
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Posted on 4/15/19 at 12:48 pm to
I hate Bran so much.
Posted by brmark70816
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Posted on 4/15/19 at 12:49 pm to
I don't see how Cersei can lose now. There whole plan hinged on talking Cersei into ceasing her war effort, cause they knew she would be too powerful once the war in the North was done. Now she has time to consolidate power in Dorne, High garden, the storm lands and the River lands. Let's say she turns some of the houses, but sways the others not to pick a side. She has a population of millions to conscript foot soldiers and the bank to provide enough funds to arm the populace.

When Dany comes back south with a war ravaged army and no provisions to feed them. They are going to pillage every town along the way to gain any supplies. The people are going to back Cersei and when they reach KL, she should have a professional army of 50k+ that is dug in behind castle walls, hundreds of those scorpions to shoot the dragons out of the sky and a civilian military force of 100s of thousands. Plus her fleet dominates the seas. How can she lose?
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 4/15/19 at 12:49 pm to
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does Winterfell have that many wheelchair ramps for Bran?




No and that's why he never leaves the courtyard


And there's no Hodor to lug him around anymore.
Posted by theGarnetWay
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Posted on 4/15/19 at 12:51 pm to
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Not to mention the general feeling of unease after all the preaching about the boogeymen from all your stories marching do


And just think how vulnerable the North is in general. I think Snow said in season 6 or 7 that the North had about 10,000 men that could fight combined. I think the Unsullied are close to equaling this number alone and then you've got tens of thousands of Dothraki?

I'd be super paranoid about Dany. I'd also be inclined to believe that he left King in the North and then bent the knee only because he thought Dany was so attractive. GOT kind of made this point when Sansa asked if Jon loved Dany.
Posted by Not Cooper
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 4/15/19 at 12:52 pm to
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Jon and Dany teaming up to stop the WWs, but then one of them having to kill the other in the end.


I wouldn't like that. I feel like that would be a rerun of the Jon and Ygritte storyline. I think one of them ends up dead and the other retreats to dragonstone and then they'll go from there.

If it did come down to that, Jon wouldn't be able to kill Dany, so clear advantage Dany there. Another reason I don't think it would happen - it would just be too obvious a result
Posted by YumYum Sauce
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 4/15/19 at 12:56 pm to
Cersei being preggo is just plot armor multiple ways.

1. None of the starks will kill her if shes pregnant
2. Jaime wont kill her if he thinks shes pregnant with his kid
Posted by TigerMan327
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Posted on 4/15/19 at 12:57 pm to
Why would the people of Dorne or High Garden fight for her? They already pledged their army's to Cersei. Jaimie and his crew already wrecked Highgarden and killed most of their men that were left over.

Dorne hates the Lannisters. That's the whole reason no one cared with the sand snakes killed their prince. Bc he made treaties with them where as everyone else wanted them to kill the Lannisters.

Also the Golden Company was only 20k. and Danys Dragon and the Dorthraki already buttfricked the entire Lannister force on their way back from High Garden.

She has hardly any army and no one wants to be her ally. Her greatest weapon is Euron, but he can only do anything if they are fighting at sea.


Posted by bee Rye
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Posted on 4/15/19 at 12:59 pm to
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The best thing about last nights episode were the callbacks to the pilot for me. The worst was the half assed reunion of John and Arya.
weird, because Jon and Arya’s reunion was a callback. They had the same exact embrace in saying goodbye as they did being reunited
Posted by BigOrangeVols
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Posted on 4/15/19 at 1:01 pm to


Bran after everyone forgets to bring him in at the end of the night.
Posted by Malefic Runt
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Posted on 4/15/19 at 1:02 pm to
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I hate Bran so much.


The barstool guys were calling him Woj. Talking about him dropping Bran-bombs
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 4/15/19 at 1:07 pm to
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Are we even sure Cersei is pregnant? The witch told her she would only have 3 children and they would all die. This baby would be a 4th child.

FIFTH child.

Tommen
Myrcella
Joffrey

...and her firstborn son, Robert's actual son, the black haired infant that got a fever and died.

The witch's prophecy seems off or there's some wrinkle we don't remember from it.
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