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Posted on 6/1/16 at 12:06 am to ohiovol
Cersei appointed Aurane Waters as her Admiral. Walter Rivers is one of his father's best advisors. Edric Storm is treated like a prince. Sansa is still treated like a catch when she was pretending to be bastard. The sting of bastardy is still there but it is exaggerated with Jon.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 5:00 am to LsuNav
It may be exaggerated because he is looked at as Ned's only flaw
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Posted on 6/1/16 at 7:09 am to blueboy
perhaps but why do we care if the waif dies?
she's a bully but not necessarily evil and surely doesn't rank on Aryas list
if jaqen wants her dead he didn't need arya for that
and if the iron bank or whoever wants someone in westeros dead why couldn't they just send jaqen?
she's a bully but not necessarily evil and surely doesn't rank on Aryas list
if jaqen wants her dead he didn't need arya for that
and if the iron bank or whoever wants someone in westeros dead why couldn't they just send jaqen?
Posted on 6/1/16 at 8:05 am to cgrand
because none of that helps the story
Posted on 6/1/16 at 8:13 am to cgrand
It didn't seem that Jaqen was planning on killing Arya when he found out she failed. He seemed disappointed that her "many skills" would not be used in service of the Many-faced God. It was only when the Waif said something like "you promised" that he seemed to allow the Waif to go after Arya. Like some said previously, Jaqen has never threatened her with death for quitting, only stated that she should leave if not willing to become no one.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 8:22 am to guedeaux
For an obviously highly regarded Faceless Man, Jaqen has pretty clearly developed a personal attachment to Arya. Which is interesting given the detachment he requires from her to legitimately become No One. I think he has grown fond enough of her that he wanted her as his apprentice vs. the Waif.
I do agree that it could be he's sending the Waif as a last test. That would be an appropriate twist in that storyline.
I do agree that it could be he's sending the Waif as a last test. That would be an appropriate twist in that storyline.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 8:26 am to BluegrassBelle
That's pretty much Arya's thing. Every a-hole ends up liking her.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 8:35 am to cgrand
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perhaps but why do we care if the waif dies?
she's a bully but not necessarily evil and surely doesn't rank on Aryas list
if jaqen wants her dead he didn't need arya for that
The waif doesn't belong with the Faceless Men. She wants to kill Arya. She has since Jaqen took her in as she believes Arya doesn't belong. She smiles at the opportunity when Jaqen finally tells her to take Arya out. Jaqen knows that Arya is not meant for the Faceless Men and that a price has to be paid for her leaving. He is leaving it up to fate to decide who's death pays that price.
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and if the iron bank or whoever wants someone in westeros dead why couldn't they just send jaqen?
The FM do not serve anyone but the many faced god. A man pays a price and a debt is paid. No one gets to chose which assassin or the manner in which they kill.
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Posted on 6/1/16 at 8:36 am to cgrand
quote:We don't. I was joking. Other posters predicted that Arya would have to run from the faceless men. Maybe they were right, but as others have said, Jaquen never threatened her with death while she was there, and Arya loves him, so it would be disappointing. We do know from past events that the many faced god doesn't really care what life is taken, as long as someone's is, so maybe if Arya defeats the waif, Jaquen will be satisfied.
perhaps but why do we care if the waif dies?
quote:For something as big as the iron band and a victim as big as Cersei or the king, I'm guessing teh price would be huge.
and if the iron bank or whoever wants someone in westeros dead why couldn't they just send jaqen?
It's like Obamacare. You only pay out the arse if you have money.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 8:54 am to blueboy
General comment: The time Arya spent w TFM hasn't been a waste...remember, in the books, this is a VERY young girl thrust into a cataclysm on several levels. As hoaky as it sounds, she spent all this time trying to lose herself only to (sigh)
Find herself?
My only disappointment would be if she never learns how to change faces.
That is some badassery right there.
Another one I had
Will LSH ever learn that R+L=J
And will she just lay down and rot the minute she does?
Find herself?
My only disappointment would be if she never learns how to change faces.
That is some badassery right there.
Another one I had
Will LSH ever learn that R+L=J
And will she just lay down and rot the minute she does?
Posted on 6/1/16 at 8:56 am to 19
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Will LSH ever learn that R+L=J
I don't get the feeling that LSH is capable of "learning" anything.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 8:59 am to blueboy
Agree with many posters that Arya will kill the waif and complete this next step of training. She will be the one sent to kill someone in Westeros, likely someone on her list. She already blends in as a nobody small girl and it's doubtful many would recognize her.
On a side note, anyone tired of the big speeches by Khaleesi. She already seemed to have the backing of the Dothraki but I guess felt the need to ride in on a big dragon. I'm sure it cemented their resolve to follow her.
I always wonder how well the people in the back of the pack hear her. She's a small woman on a dragon. Doubtful after the first few rows anyone can make out what she's saying. It's like that in most movies I guess. Recent episode of Arrow also got me thinking of this. He stands on a car and the entire mob stops to listen, I kept thinking someone would shout speak up! Braveheart is another good one.
On a side note, anyone tired of the big speeches by Khaleesi. She already seemed to have the backing of the Dothraki but I guess felt the need to ride in on a big dragon. I'm sure it cemented their resolve to follow her.
I always wonder how well the people in the back of the pack hear her. She's a small woman on a dragon. Doubtful after the first few rows anyone can make out what she's saying. It's like that in most movies I guess. Recent episode of Arrow also got me thinking of this. He stands on a car and the entire mob stops to listen, I kept thinking someone would shout speak up! Braveheart is another good one.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 9:10 am to 19
And in the books she kills on command unlike this week
Posted on 6/1/16 at 9:12 am to CenlaMikePA
quote:It doesn't work that way. They kill who they're paid to kill, not who they want to kill. It's possible that someone would want the death of a person on her list, but that coincidence would be a bit to convenient, imo. It might happen, though. Who knows?
Agree with many posters that Arya will kill the waif and complete this next step of training. She will be the one sent to kill someone in Westeros, likely someone on her list. She already blends in as a nobody small girl and it's doubtful many would recognize her.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 9:17 am to CenlaMikePA
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On a side note, anyone tired of the big speeches by Khaleesi.
To be honest, no.
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She already seemed to have the backing of the Dothraki but I guess felt the need to ride in on a big dragon. I'm sure it cemented their resolve to follow her.
Actually I think it did and makes sense in the context of the series. The Dothraki are not seafaring people. It will take a huge leap of faith for thousands of Dothraki to get on ships and cross the Narrow Sea to wage war against foes they know nothing about.
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I always wonder how well the people in the back of the pack hear her. She's a small woman on a dragon. Doubtful after the first few rows anyone can make out what she's saying. It's like that in most movies I guess. Recent episode of Arrow also got me thinking of this. He stands on a car and the entire mob stops to listen, I kept thinking someone would shout speak up! Braveheart is another good one.
Sorry but this seems like unnecessary nitpicking. You could literally complain about this in any production in which the historic context didn't include the technology for loud speakers in a given forum. I guess she should have speaking through the dragons booming voice to satisfy your concern. The riders on the front row might of taken exception, however.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 9:23 am to MLSter
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so cold hands is benjen even though the fat bastard had said he wasn't?
Everyone is pretty open now that the books and the show are completely separate entities. GRRM has stated clearly that he has provided guidance to HBO about the overarching course of the future story so that they could complete this season before TWOW coming out, but that we, as readers, should not take anything on the show as confirmation of something that will happen in the books, should he actually finish either of them before he dies.
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Posted on 6/1/16 at 9:35 am to MLSter
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so cold hands is benjen even though the fat bastard had said he wasn't?
I did not get that impression but I suppose it's possible.
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Is Margery manipulating the HS or did she go full retard?
Margery's act is a ruse IMO. Others have mentioned the same in this very long thread. Margery is making a smooth/smart move and so are the TV show writers. Time is short in the series; no need to waste more time on Crown vs Faith infighting. They need to advance the show in other directions. Cersei's case will be solved with trial by combat. Jamie is being sent off to retake Riverrun. Tommen and Margery now have the High Septon's approval so the people are now aligned with the Crown. The High Septon is an old guy and will likely die of natural causes or have an untimely accident at which point a new High Septon more understanding of the iniquities of the Crown will be appointed.
Having said this, it might work better if Margery is sincere since Tommen is good person at heart. Tommen has already taken a bold action putting Jamie in his place and soon he will realize that his mother is not a positive influence. The shite will hit the fan when Tommen finds out that Jamie is his real father. When he does, Tommen might well step down from the Iron Throne acknowledging that he does not have a legitimate claim to the Crown.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 9:36 am to MLSter
This pretty specifically isn't full Colhands. Really the show probably just combined the characters to avoid introducing a new character.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 9:43 am to GurleyGirl
I agree the Dothraki probably did need a push to cross the sea. I really was more joking about the speeches. I know they don't have speakers and this isn't a comedy. This isn't Month Python's GOT.
I'll be curious to see when it's all said and done of Arya just disappears into the shadows as a faceless man or not. Maybe she will give a wink or a nod to Sansa and just disappear. Maybe she dies. We'll see.
I'll be curious to see when it's all said and done of Arya just disappears into the shadows as a faceless man or not. Maybe she will give a wink or a nod to Sansa and just disappear. Maybe she dies. We'll see.
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