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re: Game of Thrones S5:E9:"The Dance of Dragons", BOOK READERS
Posted on 6/5/15 at 11:31 pm to wildtigercat93
Posted on 6/5/15 at 11:31 pm to wildtigercat93
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Same guy who said he came up with the R+L= J thing by himself
I don't see any way that a person could put together this theory from the show alone. The only way I could see it wouldn't be much more than wild arse guessing, which I guess is possible.
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Posted on 6/6/15 at 6:05 am to Peazey
An episode earlier this season put all of the pieces out there so that someone could figure it out. In it you had Littlefinger and Sansa talking about Rhaegar and Lyanna, and Littlefinger basically rolling his eyes when Sansa said her aunt was kidnapped and raped.
You also had Barristan's conversation with Dany about the mad king and her brother Rhaegar. He was honest about her father being an insane douche bag, but told her how noble and awesome Rhaegar was, that Rhaegar would go sing in the streets for entertainment. Doesn't sound like a murdering rapist.
Also in this episode you had Jon Snow enter the room dramatically after Master Aemon said sommething about a Targaryen alone in the world in reference to Dany.
You also had Barristan's conversation with Dany about the mad king and her brother Rhaegar. He was honest about her father being an insane douche bag, but told her how noble and awesome Rhaegar was, that Rhaegar would go sing in the streets for entertainment. Doesn't sound like a murdering rapist.
Also in this episode you had Jon Snow enter the room dramatically after Master Aemon said sommething about a Targaryen alone in the world in reference to Dany.
This post was edited on 6/6/15 at 6:06 am
Posted on 6/6/15 at 6:52 am to Peazey
Is there any chance that the show leaves the season on a resurrected Jon cliffhanger(i.e. showing him come back to life) rather than whether or not he is dead? I am wondering which would be better for ratings.
Posted on 6/6/15 at 8:14 am to bodask42
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Also in this episode you had Jon Snow enter the room dramatically after Master Aemon said sommething about a Targaryen alone in the world in reference to Dany.
I mentioned that to my wife. She caught it, too, and was wondering the significance of that.
Posted on 6/6/15 at 8:52 am to bodask42
Yeah Titus is a smart guy and observant watcher. I don't think he's a reader. I've seen reviewers and pod casters I know aren't readers throw R+L out as a possibility. She. You go into hodor thread accusing people it makes it worse.
Besides multiple people non-readers I'm friends with think Ollie is going to kill Jon. It's almost too obvious so it might not happen.
Besides multiple people non-readers I'm friends with think Ollie is going to kill Jon. It's almost too obvious so it might not happen.
Posted on 6/6/15 at 9:03 am to fouldeliverer
yeah, the show is telegraphing the shite out of things for the Hodors. And it is made way worse with the previously on GOT parts
Posted on 6/6/15 at 9:36 am to fouldeliverer
quote:Having been on both ends of this, I think that if Hodors want to be surprised in any way, they should just stay away from the threads altogether. Whether people know spoilers or are simply clever enough to figure things out, Hodors are going to get walked completely through the story week after week and they'll know everything before it happens.
Yeah Titus is a smart guy and observant watcher. I don't think he's a reader. I've seen reviewers and pod casters I know aren't readers throw R+L out as a possibility. She. You go into hodor thread accusing people it makes it worse.
Posted on 6/6/15 at 9:37 am to saintsfan92612
Could you imagine if GRRM did a review of key information from previous chapters at the start of each new chapter, pointing us in the direction we should look. 
Posted on 6/6/15 at 10:44 am to PsychTiger
He does, with the prologues.
Posted on 6/6/15 at 10:47 am to blueboy
There aren't prologues before each chapter.
Posted on 6/6/15 at 11:48 am to PsychTiger
True, and they don't always go anywhere I care about.
Posted on 6/6/15 at 6:01 pm to saintsfan92612
They need all the help they can get.
Posted on 6/6/15 at 6:16 pm to blueboy
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He does, with the prologues.
don't they all end with the death of POV?
Posted on 6/6/15 at 7:23 pm to Napoleon
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Getting stabbed is a definite it will happen
Option 1. In true GRRM fashion. Jon dies and is dead and that's it. Not R+L=J, no resurrection. He dies and is burnt. Though who would be the POV for the wall? So this is the least likely. Though Samwell did get laid, so odd things can happen.
Option 2. Which most consider the most likely. Is that he is stabbed and dies, and the Lord of Light through the Red Priest revives him. A lot would have to happen to get there, and IF we see any clip of Bedric, we know it's gong that way.
Option 3. He is stabbed but not killed. He is just badly wounded and recovers.
Couple of problems with them following the books as it involves Jon.
In the books members of the Night's Watch didn't see what they just seen.
They didn't resurrect Cat because the directors said they wanted death to be final. So, if I take them at their word if they kill him he would not come back.
The preview shows them at the wall, not in castle black. What if they change things up and the Night's Watch attacks Jon and the Wildings? This would seem more reasonable now because they don't know what just happened.
Posted on 6/6/15 at 7:31 pm to TigerintheNO
quote:Not sure what you mean.
don't they all end with the death of POV?
Posted on 6/6/15 at 7:55 pm to blueboy
He means that all the POV charachters in the prologue a die at the end of the chapter. I think that's correct.
ETA: It is.
ETA: It is.
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Prologue/epilogue POV characters: These are the characters whose perspective the prologue and epilogue chapters of each book have been told from. So far each book has had a prologue, whilst only A Storm of Swords and A Dance with Dragons have had epilogues. So far, every prologue and epilogue POV has perished at the conclusion of their chapter, except for the prologue to Storm of Swords, which ends with the character's death seemingly imminent (and confirmed later in the book).
This post was edited on 6/6/15 at 7:57 pm
Posted on 6/6/15 at 8:43 pm to FalseProphet
I didn't realize that. This is the only GoT think tank I dip into.
Posted on 6/6/15 at 9:21 pm to cssamerican
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The preview shows them at the wall, not in castle black. What if they change things up and the Night's Watch attacks Jon and the Wildings? This would seem more reasonable now because they don't know what just happened.
There are screen shots of Jon talking with Sam, so I'm sure it's at CB and he's sending Sam away. Or, I think he's sending him away
Posted on 6/7/15 at 6:24 am to cssamerican
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Option 3. He is stabbed but not killed. He is just badly wounded and recovers.
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They didn't resurrect Cat because the directors said they wanted death to be final. So, if
I agree with this in terms of Jon, and felt that way when whenever Dance With Dragons first came out. I don't want a revived Jon saving the day, just seems like cheating, and there are too many unWhoever characters in the books anyways. I want Jon to barely survive his attack, being saved/healed by the Red Woman. He at least passes out in the court yard, so when he awakens it can be ambiguous if he was killed/revived or just on the brink of death and saved by Melisandre, but I don't want him rising from death hours or days after. I hope it is this way in both the books and show.
This post was edited on 6/7/15 at 6:25 am
Posted on 6/7/15 at 6:49 am to bodask42
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I agree with this in terms of Jon, and felt that way when whenever Dance With Dragons first came out. I don't want a revived Jon saving the day, just seems like cheating, and there are too many unWhoever characters in the books anyways. I want Jon to barely survive his attack, being saved/healed by the Red Woman. He at least passes out in the court yard, so when he awakens it can be ambiguous if he was killed/revived or just on the brink of death and saved by Melisandre, but I don't want him rising from death hours or days after. I hope it is this way in both the books and show.
Except for the whole thing with the Night's Watch vows lasting until his death and stuff.
And why did the directors put Dondarion in if they wanted death to be final?
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