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re: Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness SPOILERS THREAD

Posted on 5/16/22 at 7:40 pm to
Posted by CBandits82
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Posted on 5/16/22 at 7:40 pm to
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Personally I don’t care about the multiverse. I just want a rated R Raimi Dr. Strange 3


No doubt Raimi was reined in here.

I bet he would have tried to make something truly wild.

He should absolutely get Strange 3 and they should take the handcuffs off and let him go full Sam.
Posted by SEClint
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Posted on 5/16/22 at 7:51 pm to
I didnt like it
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 5/16/22 at 9:03 pm to
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Will we see Scareltt Witch again? This felt like a Dark phoenix storyline.

Cool to see Reed Richards. I thought kang would appear? what about the demons ? ghost rider?



that's the problem with this movie, it was a complete data dump to sift through.

Reed Richards, Prof X, Captain Carter, Where is Kang, Where is Ghost Rider: all cool concepts. All basically irrelevant to a Dr Strange movie, because they overshadow the main character.
This really wasn't even a Dr Strange movie, it was a Scarlet Witch fall from grace flick, and Strange just happens to be the guy at the other end of the stick because he has similar power. They stuck him into Spiderman too, simply because he's the lazy way to create a magic crossover (Spiderverse did it more thoughtfully IMO).
We can plug Strange into Deadpool and Venom, and pull those guys in too, right? Hell, we can plug him into the DCU and pull in the Justice League, same fricking concept... "what if the Asgardians and Eternals never came to Earth, would we have seen Themyscira rise from the Olympians instead?"

All perfectly feasible, but not Dr Strange movies, simply using him as the means to open different verses.

I would have liked this better, if they focused on the Chthon/Darkhold corrupting Wanda angle, with Strange as the protagonist. And left the 10x extra storylines out.
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 5/16/22 at 9:09 pm to
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I didnt like it

Here's a crazy alternative storyline... Wanda goes psycho fricking around with the Darkhold, trying to fix everything to her liking. She and Strange battle it out magically, her breaking the world and him fixing it, until they stumble across a solution that reunites her with Vision...

they alter the Snap so that it doesn't erase half the world for 5 years, it simply creates a watered down 'pandemic' that kills 0.05% of the population (basically like the Spanish Flu). But there's some residual latent memory of the disaster in people's minds, so the world's governments panic and overreact. They know/sense "something is wrong", can't quite put their fingers on it, and act as though the apocalypse happened.
Posted by ThoseGuys
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Posted on 5/16/22 at 9:35 pm to
Whaaaa?

Man even the MCU stays somewhat grounded in reality.

Get out of here with that crazy nonsense.
Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 5/16/22 at 9:41 pm to
Can you tards not make everything political Jesus Christ
Posted by abellsujr
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 5/16/22 at 11:52 pm to
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He should absolutely get Strange 3 and they should take the handcuffs off and let him go full Sam.
Yes. Definitely.

I would love them to take more risks with their subject matter. The comic genre doesn’t always have to be for all ages. And each movie doesn’t always have to fit together tone wise. It’s like DS2 would try to go full Raimi, then revert back to generic comic movie. America, who looks and acts like a Nickelodeon teen star, would come in and ruin the scene.

It doesn’t mean you have to do it every movie, but maybe try a raunchy comedy, horror, psychological thriller, something. And go all in. These kinds of movies can make good money. It’s not like it used to be.

Joker, a rated R psychological thriller, made a billion dollars ffs. The Marvel name will get them in the door, and the quality will give it staying power.
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 6:08 am to
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Can you tards not make everything political Jesus Christ

There's nothing political about my suggestion...

I'd like to get back to these movies being similar to real life. Like Iron Man, etc, that felt like it was/could be in our world.

Once you get to Avengers, it's clearly NOT our world. The big dramatic attack on a city is cool in a movie, but if you build that into a series, it disconnects everything else too. The 3 biggest casual talking points in everything MCU now is:
attack on NYC
attack on Sokovia
Thanos and the Snap

So like I said, use Strange (or someone similar) to erase the Snap etc, and overlay it with a covid scenario. That brings the movies back to where the next one can feel like it's in our world again.
Posted by kballa6
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 9:38 am to
Saw it over the weekend. I enjoyed it and thought it was great to have something different, albeit only for the second half of the movie.

That is my biggest complaint. It felt like two different movies.
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 10:21 am to
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The multiverse allows for everything everyone wants.

The storytelling possibilities are infinite


Which is pretty lame. You just tell the director and writers "yea, do whatever the hell you want, it'll makes sense because of the multiverse!" A story is much better when there are limits to what you can do. Endgame should have been the limit to the multiverse.

The ratings and box office show that this, although will make a lot of money like all of them, isn't close to par. Ratings aren't great and it had an epic second week drop in box office numbers.

Like I said earlier, I love Wanda and like Strange a good bit, but this was just a dud. I have a hard time seeing 1) how anybody could not view the last 3rd of this movie as laughably bad and 2) not have this as a bottom 6(ish) MCU movie.
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 5/18/22 at 9:04 am to
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You just tell the director and writers "yea, do whatever the hell you want, it'll makes sense because of the multiverse!"
Yeah, I don't like that. No consequences from movie to movie. Fricking Tony Stark could have been on that Illuminati panel, because he's not dead in some other universe. Oh well, we talked Downey into another film, let's do it (and undo the drama of his sacrifice).
quote:

The ratings and box office show that this, although will make a lot of money like all of them, isn't close to par. Ratings aren't great and it had an epic second week drop in box office numbers.

I think there's just a different dynamics in play after covid. Lots of us stream, and if you like the MCU or Star Wars you have Disney+. I might like this a lot, see it once in the theater to scratch that itch, then catch it in 2 months to see it over and over on D+.

People did that with Dune and HBOMax, they didn't even have to wait.

I waited and saw Black Widow and Eternals on D+. I probably would have done the same with a lot of the rest. Used to be at least 6 months, and then it was for PPV or Red Box; it doesn't work that way anymore.

At the end of the day, my issue with the MCU isn't what happened here, as much as what I mentioned in my earlier posts- the MCU just doesn't mirror reality anymore. That world has had multiple alien invasions and a Snap, ours hasn't. It's too different.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 5/18/22 at 6:52 pm to
Jesus Christ that was something
This post was edited on 5/18/22 at 7:04 pm
Posted by illuminatic
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Member since Sep 2012
7039 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 11:28 pm to
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Italians can't go 2:06 without a formal intermission?


Smoke break probably.

I just got out a couple hours ago. That was such a Sam Raimi movie. Lol

There are certain directors that you just know you are watching one of their movies.
This post was edited on 5/20/22 at 11:30 pm
Posted by Doug_H
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Sep 2013
2744 posts
Posted on 5/31/22 at 11:08 am to
Finally saw it yesterday. Overall good movie, but definitely not great.

Elizabeth Olsen absolutely crushed it, she had great intensity and owned every scene she was in! She played a great villain, but I really don't want to see her be a villain though. I feel like there are plenty of other villains out there that could have been portrayed instead of taking an Avenger and turning them. But it's yet to be seen if this was just a step in her arc or if this the new her so to speak, guess the next couple movies will tell us

I'm confused on what Marvel wants us to think about Dr.Strange, or if they are having problems figuring him out. Cumberpatch is a good actor, you have a shite ton of material to do interesting things with him but I feel like he's watered down and dumbed down. I'll say I really didn't care for the first Dr.Strange movie as they completely rushed him from big ego jerk surgeon to Sorcerer Supreme or whatever in 1 movie, it was too much too fast. Now they are having make mistakes, as if they are realizing their own mistakes with moving him along too fast and are now over-correcting and bringing him along too slow. This felt a lot less of a Dr.Strange movie than it did a Scarlett Witch/Wanda movie

America Chavez does not interest me. Is she really needed? What am I missing that we need her after we've already seen multiple Spidermen in No Way Home?

Not a huge John Krasynski fan, actually liked him in 13hrs, or Fantastic 4 fan, but at the same time I think them bringing The Illuminati in for 5 minutes of screen time was waste and big cash grab sellout unless this was just an introduction and they are planning to really bring them into the fold in the next movie(s)

I liked Captain Carter, loved the "I can do this all day line", maybe I just want to see more of Haley Atwell

We all love Wong, but how TF did they make him give in to Wanda so fast, especially after just having the other chick sacrifice herself. That didn't make any sense

Again I liked the movie overall, still a big Marvel fan, but for me I think they jumped the shark with Endgame. Prior to Endgame in the 23 or so movies only 3 were underwhelming really (Iron Man 3, Thor 2, Captain Marvel even though I thought it was better than most people did) but since Endgame it has become oversaturated and they are rushing too many characters and stories, plus Disney trying to fit in certain agendas does not help. Falcon & Winter Soldier, Eternals, now Multiverse of Madness all weren't as well done as they should have been. While MoonKnight was okay, it went 6 episodes without tying into anything else really.
Add to that all of the content that they have scheduled to come out, some of which I don't think is necessary or really wanted by most when you think about Echo, Agatha,She-Hulk I feel like they can have as many missess as hits and that would just below the bar they had set for themselves
Posted by BigB0882
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 6/4/22 at 12:27 am to
Finally saw this tonight and good lord, it was horrible. The writing, the pacing, almost everything. The final act tried to save it but it jumped the shark too many times.
Posted by USMCguy121
Northshore
Member since Aug 2021
6332 posts
Posted on 6/4/22 at 3:24 am to
bringing the illuminati and then killing them off was good for shock value and I will admit I laughed at some deaths (Was this intentional?) but I think it kind of hurt what's left of the franchise's future.


quote:

I think they jumped the shark with Endgame.



They blew their load with endgame. And thinking about it, It all really started with Iron Man, it should have ended with him.

This next (last?) Thor movie looks like a postscript to Endgame. While I enjoyed MoM, The MCU's decline is getting palpable with everything they put out, so I will watch that one and put the franchise behind me.
This post was edited on 6/4/22 at 3:26 am
Posted by CAD703X
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Member since Jul 2008
93405 posts
Posted on 7/11/22 at 2:38 pm to
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One example is the bolt guy, I had no idea who he was when he showed up.


How do you not know the leader of the Inhumans? They're my favorite marvel characters of all time and they deserve better than that awful tv show a free years back.
Posted by 3nOut
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Jan 2013
32403 posts
Posted on 7/11/22 at 2:57 pm to
i finally convinced my family to watch last night. this and shang chi are the only ones i've watched since endgame.

it definitely was lesser and as much as i respect Raimi, this wasn't his jam really. or maybe i just didn't like him be stuck to pg-13 horror?

i liked it perfectly fine as a movie, but i am seeing the Marvel dropoff in real time. i'm going to try and catch Thor this week. My son loved ragnarok and didn't enjoy it when he watched last week. My 15 year old being critical of Marvel movies is a weird place to be, but he has his opinions.

i did enjoy the multiverse illuminati scene. while bloodless, the Black Bolt death and Peggy Carter were really gruesome. didn't care for that. (i say that as i'm wrapping up Boys season 3 this week.)

kinda a true call out for real comic book fans. would have been cool if they had namor and Black Panther in there too, but i'm not sure of the licensing situation for Namor.
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
162938 posts
Posted on 7/11/22 at 2:58 pm to
I was hoping it would be an actual Illuminati that sort of oversees the entire Multiverse, instead of just a random one from a multiverse that she dispatched in about 5 minutes.
Posted by FirstCityDawg
Member since May 2017
3668 posts
Posted on 7/11/22 at 3:33 pm to
We will see Namor later this year in Black Panther 2.
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