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Posted on 5/15/22 at 6:02 pm to CBandits82
quote:Agreed. And I thought I made that clear in my post.
Exactly, a central Strange movie is gonna be out there and weird as hell, it’s part of the character.
Although my post was a little chaotic in itself
Posted on 5/15/22 at 6:11 pm to CBandits82
quote:So I think some of the issues that I’m seeing people have with the movie is:
What was the let down about it?
Being lost with some of the story
Too much world building and not enough emphasis to the story within.
Not enough world building based on hype
Didn’t like the direction of the universe
Usually complaints fall somewhere in one of these categories. But you can’t have everything, right? So imo, they should have set the movie up to focus on one aspect and do THAT more effectively.
If you want to world build, focus more on that. Make it more of a generally appealing Avengers type of movie. Bring in more familiar characters to help you world build.
Or
Focus on doing a complete Dr Strange movie. Focus on Strange and a couple of other characters and develop all of them more effectively.
But of course, this is just my opinion. But I do believe the complaints seem to fall in one of those categories.
This post was edited on 5/15/22 at 6:41 pm
Posted on 5/15/22 at 6:18 pm to abellsujr
quote:
So I think some of the issues that I’m seeing people have with the movie is:
Being lost with some of the story
Biggest problem is you have idiots watching the movies...
It wasn't perfect but someone complained that they didn't understand the Blackbolt death... they explained his super power and demonstrated it before the Scarlet Witch made it back fire on him. It was spoon fed to the audience and some people don't get it...
People complaining they didn't know character X from show Y. Well people, guess what the movies are based off of? Oh, guess what the comic books live off of? Crossovers. Why should they go away from a formula that works. Fans will know what is going on and it is dumbed down enough for casual viewers to still get what is going on.
The movie was fine, it wasn't perfect but had a good mix of nostalgia for fans and action to be a fine comic book movie for most.
Posted on 5/15/22 at 6:22 pm to dawgfan24348
Looking forward to Wanda’s redemption in Secret Wars
Posted on 5/15/22 at 6:24 pm to armsdealer
Hang on there bud
I’m happy that you enjoyed the crossover from a TV show. I know someone who loves WandaVision and thought this was awesome to see the development there.
It doesn’t mean everyone is going to feel that way.
This was the first time I’ve really seen them require watching a show before going into a big summer blockbuster. So it’s an experiment. It may work overall. It may not. The public will speak.
I’m happy that you enjoyed the crossover from a TV show. I know someone who loves WandaVision and thought this was awesome to see the development there.
It doesn’t mean everyone is going to feel that way.
This was the first time I’ve really seen them require watching a show before going into a big summer blockbuster. So it’s an experiment. It may work overall. It may not. The public will speak.
This post was edited on 5/15/22 at 6:37 pm
Posted on 5/15/22 at 7:25 pm to abellsujr
I agree- his voice was off and almost cartoonish
Posted on 5/15/22 at 8:11 pm to abellsujr
Personally I haven’t heard many people say they didn’t like it most people I talked to loved it. They loved how it was by far the darkest MCU movie with classic Rami horror elements to it. Wanda massacring the Illuminati was pretty well received from people on my end and that hallway scene was considered one of if not the best scene in the movie.
I think the general consensus overall is that while the first part was just ok at times once Strange and Chavez enter the 838 universe that’s when it ready starts to get good
I think the general consensus overall is that while the first part was just ok at times once Strange and Chavez enter the 838 universe that’s when it ready starts to get good
Posted on 5/15/22 at 8:27 pm to dawgfan24348
quote:Yeah I agree. I loved those scenes. I thought they were beautiful. The horror elements were perfect.
by far the darkest MCU movie with classic Rami horror elements to it. Wanda massacring the Illuminati was pretty well received from people on my end and that hallway scene was considered one of if not the best scene in the movie.
quote:I think it’s hard to say right now. But if I had to guess, I would say the general consensus is meh to good. If 5/10 is average, I’d say the scores range from 5/10-8/10. Probably 6/10-7/10 being the most popular scores. At least with the movie itself.
general consensus overall
As far as the MCU direction? I don’t know. That’s harder to say. There’s a lot of opinions there.
I don’t think there’s any cause for concern. Is the quality dipping a little? Yeah, but I mean, they were on top of the world. So a dip is expected. It’s too soon to judge the financial aspect.
And people need to understand. Criticism for the movie is not attacking the movie. I don’t think many people at all are saying it’s a horrible movie. This is an above average movie. That means it’s not perfect. So criticism is ok and legitimate.
This post was edited on 5/15/22 at 8:36 pm
Posted on 5/15/22 at 9:17 pm to abellsujr
quote:
criticism is ok and legitimate
Agreed
Criticism is almost always legitimate when you are talking about the people paying to see the movie and hoping to have a good time. It is annoying when people try to invalidate opinions they don't agree with just because they don't agree.
There are legit reasons to feel like the movie was uneven in spite of good moments.
Wanda and Strange were the big two characters in the movie and neither one have really remained consistent and compelling. That strikes me as a problem for this Marvel phase since they (and the god killer Thor story) are just about the only remaining characters I had interest in going forward.
Posted on 5/15/22 at 9:17 pm to abellsujr
quote:
Oh there’s no doubt.
So my issue with the movie is that it made Dr Strange interesting for me. It had a tone and aesthetic that fit him perfectly. And they didn’t do him justice because they tried to world build too much. That’s just a personal opinion of mine.
Everyone is going to want there own things in the universe. Or want a certain direction. I personally don’t care about direction and am disappointed they didn’t have a solid finished product. For me anyway.
So in my endless rambling , that’s essentially what I’m trying to say
Glad you enjoyed it. For awhile (a couple pages there), it seemed like people were trying to view DS2 as some mandate on the MCU, whether it's lost or still has legs, etc. I just don't think Dr Strange is the character you look at, to make that determination. It's going to be weird, in the shadows and on the periphery. He doesn't go after muggers (Spiderman or Batman), terrorists (Iron Man), evil geniuses or aliens (a lot of heroes). He goes after, well, 'eldritch horrors' and such. He squared off against Dormammu, which is as close to a demon as we've gotten in the MCU. And now Scarlet Witch, who was claiming Chthon's throne. That's his gig, and this movie did a fair job of demonstrating that 'standard heroes' don't match up well against that sort of thing. Strange is the go-to for weird shite.
I liked the concept, would have liked a little more development of Wanda (basically, show that those demons are horrific, and she's commanding them). Things weren't quite scary enough for me. They did do a good job of making her use the various horror tropes, but she was still Wanda and likeable to an extent, still relatable. Maybe they should have given some screen time to Chthon, to bring home just what she was doing.
Posted on 5/15/22 at 11:12 pm to Scoob
quote:I agree. And I think that’s an issue I had with it. If Strange is not going to be an important reflection of the MCU, give him more individual focus. Go all in on Raimi. Don’t force him to have to sell all of these characters. Let him make a Strange movie. Because the elements were here, it’s just hard when you have to develop Strange, develop Wanda, sell a bunch of new characters, progress toward a specific plan, etc. This movie HAD to go from a point A to point B. This had to be a developmental story for the universe. I just wish it could have been a story about Sam Raimi’s Dr. Strange.
For awhile (a couple pages there), it seemed like people were trying to view DS2 as some mandate on the MCU, whether it's lost or still has legs, etc. I just don't think Dr Strange is the character you look at, to make that determination. It's going to be weird, in the shadows and on the periphery. He doesn't go after muggers (Spiderman or Batman), terrorists (Iron Man), evil geniuses or aliens (a lot of heroes). He goes after, well, 'eldritch horrors' and such. He squared off against Dormammu, which is as close to a demon as we've gotten in the MCU. And now Scarlet Witch, who was claiming Chthon's throne. That's his gig, and this movie did a fair job of demonstrating that 'standard heroes' don't match up well against that sort of thing. Strange is the go-to for weird shite.
But yeah. This is not an ender for Marvel obviously
. Not even close. Like not even a slight inkling. But will they have some regrets when it’s all said and done? I think so. It wouldn’t be the first time they felt like they made a mistake and corrected it.Posted on 5/15/22 at 11:13 pm to molsusports
It really amazes me. It’s like “No! You’re an idiot because of the criticisms you have!”
Then in the same post, “The movie was ok”
Really? So you didn’t think the movie was perfect either? But your criticism is justified and mine is stupid? (btw I did not say anything about black bolts death. I thought it was dope. I guess he’s talking about someone else.)
It’s ok though because I do think this thread has been mostly civil.
Your concerns are legitimate. Despite what some believe, I do think this was a big, important movie for Marvel. And I think they dropped the ball on some things. I think a lot of people don’t find Strange interesting. Personally I think they had a chance to make him interesting with Raimi taking control of him, but they failed because they had to build their universe. You can only do so much in 2 hours and Marvel felt it necessary to throw a lot of things at us at the wrong time.
I think the movie itself had life and personality. The visual elements. But you’re right imo. They failed to give life to the characters in a lot of ways. One of the many issues I had with this movie.
Then in the same post, “The movie was ok”
Really? So you didn’t think the movie was perfect either? But your criticism is justified and mine is stupid?
(btw I did not say anything about black bolts death. I thought it was dope. I guess he’s talking about someone else.) It’s ok though because I do think this thread has been mostly civil.
Your concerns are legitimate. Despite what some believe, I do think this was a big, important movie for Marvel. And I think they dropped the ball on some things. I think a lot of people don’t find Strange interesting. Personally I think they had a chance to make him interesting with Raimi taking control of him, but they failed because they had to build their universe. You can only do so much in 2 hours and Marvel felt it necessary to throw a lot of things at us at the wrong time.
I think the movie itself had life and personality. The visual elements. But you’re right imo. They failed to give life to the characters in a lot of ways. One of the many issues I had with this movie.
Posted on 5/15/22 at 11:16 pm to boxcarbarney
quote:
When the movie started I couldn’t remember if Sam Raimi was directing this one. Then I saw Bruce Campbell, and I thought “ok, this is a Sam Raimi movie.”
You know superheroes, a bunch of bitchy little girls.
Posted on 5/15/22 at 11:20 pm to Upperdecker
Somehow, I want Universe 616's Dr. Doom to be Dwight. In fact, I want all of the major cast members of "The Office" to have at least bit parts in Phase 4, so that it can seem like "The Office"verse is just one of the multiverse.
I would like to believe that every interconnected tv-series universe where crossover episodes occurred is one of the multi-verses involved in the Marvel franchise.
I would like to believe that every interconnected tv-series universe where crossover episodes occurred is one of the multi-verses involved in the Marvel franchise.
Posted on 5/15/22 at 11:22 pm to kingbob
I actually believe this is 100% possible.
They have a multiverse and Deadpool. Can you imagine the possibilities with those two together?
They have a multiverse and Deadpool. Can you imagine the possibilities with those two together?
Posted on 5/15/22 at 11:34 pm to kingbob
quote:Poli board.
You know superheroes, a bunch of bitchy little girls.
This post was edited on 5/15/22 at 11:36 pm
Posted on 5/15/22 at 11:44 pm to abellsujr
quote:
Poli board.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 5:56 am to abellsujr
I felt like a lot of the movie was too bright and sunny; the scene in the street with the giant octopus eyeball for example. And although Chavez basically makes the plot, I just didn't feel like any of that actually fit well.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 8:22 am to Scoob
Will we see Scareltt Witch again? This felt like a Dark phoenix storyline.
Cool to see Reed Richards. I thought kang would appear? what about the demons ? ghost rider?
Cool to see Reed Richards. I thought kang would appear? what about the demons ? ghost rider?
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