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Did Jaime Lannister have the biggest wasted character arc ever?
Posted on 11/21/24 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 11/21/24 at 12:03 pm
In the beginning of GOT, Jaime Lannister did not have a good reputation. He was called King Slayer for the murder of King Aerys, whom he was supposed to protect. No one (except for Brienne later) knew the real reason he did what he did.
When we meet him, he comes off smug and arrogant. He attempts to kill Bran when he is caught having sex with Cersei, and that further cements the audience’s dislike of him.
Even when he is Robb’s prisoner, he still has an extremely arrogant nature that makes it hard to like him.
It’s when he begins to journey with Brienne that we start to see his human side, a compassionate side, that leads to him losing his sword hand and nearly getting mauled by a bear.
I don’t want to write a novel here, so I’ll wrap it up. We all know where Jaime ended up at the end. Dead in a pile of rubble with Cersei. After all he went through, the transformation he underwent, just to end up dead with Cersei, does this mean his whole arc was wasted? He could have stayed with Brienne and had a life with her, but yet he chose to return to Cersei, the one he could not break away from, and it was his destruction.
Do you know of another instance where a character’s arc flew high, but crashed and burned in the end?
When we meet him, he comes off smug and arrogant. He attempts to kill Bran when he is caught having sex with Cersei, and that further cements the audience’s dislike of him.
Even when he is Robb’s prisoner, he still has an extremely arrogant nature that makes it hard to like him.
It’s when he begins to journey with Brienne that we start to see his human side, a compassionate side, that leads to him losing his sword hand and nearly getting mauled by a bear.
I don’t want to write a novel here, so I’ll wrap it up. We all know where Jaime ended up at the end. Dead in a pile of rubble with Cersei. After all he went through, the transformation he underwent, just to end up dead with Cersei, does this mean his whole arc was wasted? He could have stayed with Brienne and had a life with her, but yet he chose to return to Cersei, the one he could not break away from, and it was his destruction.
Do you know of another instance where a character’s arc flew high, but crashed and burned in the end?
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Posted on 11/21/24 at 12:04 pm to SaintlyTiger88
His was certainly one of the biggest disappointments for me. He did all that shite just to put the incestuous pussy back on the pedestal and die alongside her when he should've been the one to kill her.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 12:04 pm to SaintlyTiger88
It definitely is #1 on my list.
It can be argued that him falling off the wagon and going back was realistic, but it certainly wasn't satisfying
It can be argued that him falling off the wagon and going back was realistic, but it certainly wasn't satisfying
This post was edited on 11/21/24 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 11/21/24 at 12:13 pm to SaintlyTiger88
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Do you know of another instance where a character’s arc flew high, but crashed and burned in the end?
Pretty much all of the main characters in Game of Thrones, lol.
But aside from Game of Thrones, I'll throw out Ted Mosby from How I Met Your Mother.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 12:14 pm to Corinthians420
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It can be argued that him falling off the wagon and going back was realistic, but it certainly wasn't satisfying
Yeah it was definitely disappointing, but I guess if you think about his life and where things were heading, you could sorta understand it. His children were all dead (not that he cared much for them anyway), his father, his sister soon to be, everything he knew other than his little brother. I guess he didn't want a future that was so vastly different from what he always knew.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 12:15 pm to SaintlyTiger88
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Even when he is Robb’s prisoner, he still has an extremely arrogant nature that makes it hard to like him.
Don't forget that he murdered his cousin to free himself. That was peak POS Jaime. Jaime never fully redeemed himself for me. Some of the stuff he did was too awful.
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After all he went through, the transformation he underwent, just to end up dead with Cersei, does this mean his whole arc was wasted? He could have stayed with Brienne and had a life with her, but yet he chose to return to Cersei, the one he could not break away from, and it was his destruction.
It was a dumb ending for him and the last thing in the world I like to do is give Dumb and Dumber any slack, but this is one I halfway understand. It just showed that no matter what, it was always about him and Cersei. Deep down that never changed and was never going to. Him being killed by Euron was the worst part of it imo.
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Do you know of another instance where a character’s arc flew high, but crashed and burned in the end?
Taking into account every show I've ever watched...
Jon Snow, Daenerys, Melisandre, Varys, Littlefinger, Cersei and the Night King.
This post was edited on 11/21/24 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 11/21/24 at 12:19 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Yes. He should have died in a way to help the cause. Not in the basement of the red keep with his whorish sister who never changed a bit.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 12:22 pm to SaintlyTiger88
the dude died a simp for a sister, I'll say that was a wasted arc
Posted on 11/21/24 at 12:29 pm to SaintlyTiger88
did any of the main characters in GOT end up with a satisfying character arc?
Posted on 11/21/24 at 12:34 pm to SaintlyTiger88
If that's the ending that GRRM gave to D&D (and it wouldn't remotely surprise me if it was since he's a major character in the books as well), then it's absolutely the most disappointing.
My hope was he would be the one to kill Ceresi (even though he would likely die in that scenario too) and receive his redemption there.
I feel like the books were headed more towards him breaking with Ceresi where they ended but who knows.
My hope was he would be the one to kill Ceresi (even though he would likely die in that scenario too) and receive his redemption there.
I feel like the books were headed more towards him breaking with Ceresi where they ended but who knows.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 12:45 pm to BluegrassBelle
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My hope was he would be the one to kill Ceresi (even though he would likely die in that scenario too) and receive his redemption there.
We will 100% never find out, but I'm hoping it's Arya. Dumb and Dumber hinted that Arya killing the Night King was their thing not George's, so maybe Arya gets revenge.
But I also want Arya to actually finish her training, give up the Stark name and become a faceless man. That's for sure not happening because she hid needle in the book but I can hope.
Another random thing that pissed me off in the show was Arya actually become a faceless man. She did not finish her training and in no way should she have been able to take on Walder Frey's face. It was kind of a cool scene but I was like wtf she should not be able to be doing this. She literally quit after one assignment and yet they made it seem like she was a full blown assassin. Ugh.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 12:58 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Yep, went from a fantastic story of redemption to WTF?
Posted on 11/21/24 at 1:06 pm to SaintlyTiger88
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He could have stayed with Brienne and had a life with her
Gross.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 1:08 pm to SaintlyTiger88
GRRM CLEARLY has something completely different set up for Jaime. Really terrible work by them on his TV arc
Posted on 11/21/24 at 1:09 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Probably so. You began by hating him but then started to root for him. And he throws it all away just to be with Cersei.
On one hand, he couldn't overcome his love for Cersei, which makes sense. On the other hand, fans would have liked to see him change his life and start living for himself, possibly with Brienne and away from the capitol.
The Hound had a wasted arc too. He softened and showed a caring side while still remaining true to himself. In the end, he dies fighting his brother for his own vengence but teaches Arya that vengence will turn her into him and lead to her death. I wish they didn't show him fighting his brother and would have loved to see him standing next to Arya on the ship sailing away. It would have showed he gave up his vengence and walked away to live his life.
On one hand, he couldn't overcome his love for Cersei, which makes sense. On the other hand, fans would have liked to see him change his life and start living for himself, possibly with Brienne and away from the capitol.
The Hound had a wasted arc too. He softened and showed a caring side while still remaining true to himself. In the end, he dies fighting his brother for his own vengence but teaches Arya that vengence will turn her into him and lead to her death. I wish they didn't show him fighting his brother and would have loved to see him standing next to Arya on the ship sailing away. It would have showed he gave up his vengence and walked away to live his life.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 1:11 pm to SaintlyTiger88
In my mind Jaime's arc is unfinished. As far as I remember Jaime is in the riverlands and has just burned a letter from Cersei asking for his help in King's Landing.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 1:14 pm to SaintlyTiger88
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This post was edited on 5/12/26 at 7:06 pm
Posted on 11/21/24 at 1:16 pm to chryso
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In my mind Jaime's arc is unfinished. As far as I remember Jaime is in the riverlands and has just burned a letter from Cersei asking for his help in King's Landing.
"Cersei is a lying whore, she's been fricking Lancel and Osmund Kettleblack and probably Moon Boy for all I know."
Posted on 11/21/24 at 1:20 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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This post was edited on 5/12/26 at 7:05 pm
Posted on 11/21/24 at 1:20 pm to SaintlyTiger88
I replaced the HBO ending with this in my mind.
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