re: Christopher Nolan is the most overrated Director. And Dark Knight is a stupid film.

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The Dark Knight is really stupid when you actually study the concept. Everything in that movie happens because everybody makes the stupid choice. Not the wrong choice, the stupid choice.

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I agree there are some ridiculous things you have to accept in order to go with the movie, but some of your complaints are a little weird IMO.

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Then it relied on Batman not killing him

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But if he knows that, he can rely on it. It's not like he was making an assumption that he wouldn't kill him...it's fairly established that Batman doesn't kill, right? So that's actually something he could count on, rather than leaving it up to chance.

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the Joker's masterplan is one he has no control over. He puts his final chesspiece in the hand of others. Which makes no sense.

There are police on both boats. His plan is to trick the boats into blowing at least the other up by making them believe that if they don't, the other boat will blow them up, so they must strike first. But the police on both boats would take the triggers, and...that's it. Nobody would push the button.

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But you're ignoring the alternative. Unless I am misremembering it, if neither boat blew the other up, he was going to blow up both boats, right? So he gave each boat a chance to save itself by blowing up the other one, with the looming deadline of a finite amount of time until both blew up.

Joker wanted to cause chaos. So of course he is gonna leave a lot of things up to chance. And if one boat blows up the other one, then it's arguably more chaotic than him blowing them up himself. So that's the "game" he was playing.

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And then Batman tells Gordon that he must proclaim him to be the villain to protect the image of Dent so that the citizens still believe in Dent and are inspired by what he preached.

But why? Why did Batman have to take the blame and become the bad guy? There was no reason to even think of that ploy, much less suggest it, and then agree to it.

Why blame Batman for Dent's crimes, when you could just blame the Joker?

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I don't disagree with that, but the Joker was captured and would have told everyone that it was Dent and not him. Whereas Batman isn't going to be talking to the press or anything, so it's more of a "plausible deniability" kind of thing IMO.

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It's a stupid movie.

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I'm no Nolan fanboy by any means, and people are entitled to their own opinions. But your reasons for it being stupid don't make much sense to me though. That's my problem with this thread.

I love the movie, but like someone mentioned, it was definitely hurt by Katie Holmes not returning and replacing her with MG. It was honestly distracting having her in that role for me. But at least that's a legit reason for something...most of your reasons are either pretty easily explainable or you just are wrong completely.


And while Nolan may be a bit overrated at times (and the audio complaints for his movies are 100% justified), he's still a pretty incredible director and has some really great movies to his name...not to mention that you have to give him credit for the kinds of movies and ideas he attempts to put on film. He definitely tries to change the game, so to speak, rather than directors who just paint-by-numbers when making movies. So IMO his attempts to bring pretty high concepts to life are admirable. Also, The Prestige is his best film IMO.

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The entire movie is stupid. It's like the Matrix: it's a film that delves into philosophical concepts that are considered deep by a person who only took an Intro to Philosophy course.

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I was with you until this. 0/10

The Dark knight pitch meeting
LINK

Love these videos. It points out some of the gripes that you have.

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Memento, Inception, Interstellar, and Tenet were all pretty good films IMO.

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Tenet is my least favorite film by a mile and i still liked it.


i still have a weird boner for interstellar. i know that ending was dog crap, but the majesty, immersiveness, score, and bond between Cooper and Murphy in the first two hours is probably my favorite 2 hours of film ever.

is nolan overrated? of course. is his worst movie (Tenet) still one of the better movies that has come out in theaters in the last 2 years? yes.

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I think Tenet sucked and hopefully it is a lesson to reign in some of his Nolan-isms

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I watched TENET a few weeks ago, and it was fairly confusing for a while. But then there was a time near the end that I kinda mentally caught up to it and it made sense. And then toward the end of the movie I felt like it followed along nicely, and I actually caught myself admitting that I liked it.

I'm not saying I fully followed everything, but in the end I liked it a lot more than I thought I would when I was about 1/3 or 1/2 through it. It was strange. And it definitely falls into the "ambitious attempt" kind of thing that Nolan is known for, and I appreciated the attempt.

Hell, even Dunkirk was ambitious with the three different timelines. And I appreciated it and liked it okay despite being pretty disappointed with it when I saw it.

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i still have a weird boner for interstellar. i know that ending was dog crap, but the majesty, immersiveness, score, and bond between Cooper and Murphy in the first two hours is probably my favorite 2 hours of film ever.

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With all of its flaws, I really like Interstellar a lot. Yes, the end is overly ridiculous like you said, and I agree completely...but it's still really good and I enjoy it and get something out of it every single time I rewatch it.


ETA: I will say it would be nice for me to see Nolan just sit down and put his efforts into making a "normal" movie, one without all the overly ambitious stuff in it (like three timelines in Dunkirk, or different layers of reality like Inception, or mad scientific shite like Interstellar, or backwards time like TENET, or time mindfricks like Memento). When he does that, you get a movie like The Prestige, which is his best and one of my top 5 movies all time. I'd love to see his talents go toward a more "normal" movie like that now just to see how good/enjoyable that would be.

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people legit thought i was insane or trolling in real time after i came back after a midnight premier showing being critical of it

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Batman Begins was the best film of the trilogy by far. Dark Knight had Heath giving a great performance, but the rest of the movie was pretty meh. The third one had some good moments, but overall kind of fell flat.

TDK's biggest issue (in real time not after having a decade to analyze it) was just trying to squeeze too much story into 1 movie. There wasn't enough time to do a Joker movie AND a complete Two Face movie. He had the trilogy there for the taking but tried to do too much (and since he's Nolan, story is expendable).

Also I always felt that the boat sequence was a bit too campy for the gritty realism of the series up to that point. It needed to be shot and acted differently, imho, especially since it was one of the most meta-emotional moments for the concept of "bat man" over those 2 movies.

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And Dark Knight is a stupid film.

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It's literally one of the most well done movies of all time.

Enjoy a well deserved downvote.

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Also I always felt that the boat sequence was a bit too campy for the gritty realism of the series up to that point. It needed to be shot and acted differently, imho, especially since it was one of the most meta-emotional moments for the concept of "bat man" over those 2 movies.

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i agree. i really liked the concept that it was going for but the whole thing was done very hokey. Only real moment was when Deebo says "i'm gonna do what you shoulda did an hour ago." the rest of the dialogue there was pretty terrible.