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re: Casting a black actor as Snape in upcoming Potter series is just awful
Posted on 4/14/25 at 11:48 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Posted on 4/14/25 at 11:48 pm to iwyLSUiwy
I was never massive into Harry Potter but I've seen all the films and did read a few of the books growing up and saying Snape isn't a sympathetic villain is wild.
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Posted on 4/14/25 at 11:48 pm to MasterKnight
Put that actor in whiteface and really showcase his acting chops. 
Posted on 4/15/25 at 1:03 am to cbtullis
Maybe he’ll do whiteface.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 2:13 am to Corinthians420
Here is the big thing. The readers were not aware that Harry dad bullied Snape until the 5th book. So Snape hating Harry is going to seem like it is from a racist point of view. Are they going to go off book in the first season and say that James was bullying Snape and Snape was in love with Lily?
If they do that, then they are changing the story to fit their narrative. Changing a character in any form is a bad idea. Why do you think so many people hate the Star wars sequels in particular The Last Jedi? They destroyed Luke Skywalker character to fit their narrative. Took away 40 years of character development and story bc it did not fit their image.
If they do that, then they are changing the story to fit their narrative. Changing a character in any form is a bad idea. Why do you think so many people hate the Star wars sequels in particular The Last Jedi? They destroyed Luke Skywalker character to fit their narrative. Took away 40 years of character development and story bc it did not fit their image.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 3:55 am to LB84
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Rowling is still alive. It's her choice to sell the product as she wants. If she is okay with it I'm not going to be bothered. When the works of authors who have passed are being changed bothers me more.
She is the executive producer for this. I kinda trust her to get it right. She ain’t a DEI activist, that’s for sure. And I seriously doubt you see a trans with her world views.
To MasterKnight:
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If they do that, then they are changing the story to fit their narrative.
Again, the actual author is the executive producer. She has the final say. How is this hard to understand? If anything is changed, it is the actual creator doing it.
I think you may actually see many, many changes from the books and movies to make it fresh. She said she wished she had not put Hermonie and Ron together. That may happen now. Snape’s and Harry’s parents background may change as well.
I have zero issues with the actual creator doing things a bit different as long as the magic remains.
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Posted on 4/15/25 at 5:00 am to MasterKnight
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Yes I know there have been examples of characters appearances being changed but have they been for the better? Jack Reacher is a character described as 6 ft 4 250 lbs of muscle. Tom Cruise made 2 movies and people hated Tom for playing Reacher. Then Amazon got the rights and got someone who looked like Reacher. Look how more successful that is because how they got the character right
Oh i get it. The perfect snape would be a 33 year old alan rickman clone in my opinion.
All i have disagreed with is that making snape black makes james racist. James was a prick in his youth but not a bad person. I dont think Rowling will let them make him a racist but according to 80% of the people in this thread he is gonna be a racist now because of this casting choice.
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Posted on 4/15/25 at 5:50 am to Corinthians420
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Must've meant in terms of plot rather than looks. I have a bigger issue with the Dumbledore casting for a show that will take 10+ years to film
Gonna be closer to 20 given the 2.5 years between 8-episode seasons that is the norm today.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 6:50 am to lsupride87
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Fictional book characters race literally doesn’t matter to me at all unless race was a character trait that mattered Race was completely inconsequential in the harry potter universe
Would you have a prob with Hitler playing mlk?
This post was edited on 4/15/25 at 6:51 am
Posted on 4/15/25 at 6:56 am to Oneforthemoney
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Fictional book characters race literally doesn’t matter to me at all unless race was a character trait that mattered Race was completely inconsequential in the harry potter universe
Would you have a prob with Hitler playing mlk?
MLK is fictional?
If Hitler is playing anyone regardless of race we all have bigger problems.
This post was edited on 4/15/25 at 7:03 am
Posted on 4/15/25 at 8:39 am to Bham4Tide
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She ain’t a DEI activist, that’s for sure.
Um, what? JK Rowling has extreme leftist views on almost every topic.
Don't let her hatred of trannies fool you. She is as woke as it gets on every other issue.
And actually I think she is really going to go all in on race in this version because she sees that as a way to get back in the good graces of the progressive left. They cancelled her and she hoping pushing the race narrative will get her invited to parties again.
I don't think it will work though. This shaping up to be a disaster of a production. When you put politics before story it usually doesnt end well.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 8:40 am to cbtullis
Posted on 4/15/25 at 9:03 am to cbtullis
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The books are very clear about Snape being a white man.
I've never read the books (or watched any of the movies).
but if the get the right actor who nails the role, then his race is not relevant.
in "Rita Hayworth and Shawshank Redemption" , Red is very clearly an Red Headed Irish dude.
But can you honestly picture anyone other than Morgan Freeman playing that part?
In Norse Mythology, Heimdall is pale skinned with blonde Hair.
But Idris Elba is Heimdall and it would be hard to see anyone else in that part.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 9:13 am to Nutriaitch
There are a few Harry Potter characters where it would not matter at all.
For Snape it changes the complexion (no pun intended) of many many many of the interactions. It creates moments and perceptions that do not need to be there and are completely unnecessary.
I'll still watch the show and I hope its great. It just seems to me like a major unforced error and distraction
For Snape it changes the complexion (no pun intended) of many many many of the interactions. It creates moments and perceptions that do not need to be there and are completely unnecessary.
I'll still watch the show and I hope its great. It just seems to me like a major unforced error and distraction
Posted on 4/15/25 at 9:32 am to dawgfan24348
quote:He really wasn't until the end of Half Blood Prince. Most folks who had any sense knew that he was killing Dumbledore and saving Harry from Bellatrix for a good reason. Before that, he was a bully and a shitty person. I remember internet folks calling for his noble sacrifice as early as Order of the Phoenix.
saying Snape isn't a sympathetic villain is wild.
Not sure where I'm going with this, I'm just waxing nostalgic over the early 2000s internet chat rooms. Oh to have that level of suspense again.
ETA: also, it's a stupid casting decision. Snape is an ugly hooked nosed white guy. JK hand picked Alan Rickman for a reason.
This post was edited on 4/15/25 at 9:34 am
Posted on 4/15/25 at 9:34 am to Fun Bunch
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There are a few Harry Potter characters where it would not matter at all.
For Snape it changes the complexion (no pun intended) of many many many of the interactions. It creates moments and perceptions that do not need to be there and are completely unnecessary.
again, I've never read the books or seen any of the movies, so could you give examples of why it matters for that particular character?
Posted on 4/15/25 at 9:47 am to Nutriaitch
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again, I've never read the books or seen any of the movies, so could you give examples of why it matters for that particular character?
Snape is bullied pretty relentlessly by James Potter, Harry's dad.
If you make Snape black, then it becomes racism not schoolyard bullying.
The funny thing is, EVERYONE seems to agree on this. Even the people who scream racism at the folks that complain of the casting change seem to admit this changes the dynamic in a way not intended by the author.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 10:15 am to jcole4lsu
The bullying of Snape by James serves as the reason he doesnt like Harry. He sees harrys dad and mom in Harry.
They could come up with any number of reasons why Snape hates harrys dad. It doesnt have to be bullying/racism. Bullying was just the reason they used in the books to explain Snape's hatred for Harry. It was a plot device, not a key part of the story. We dont even see James bully Snape until book 5, Order of the Phoenix.
Its like some of you dont understand that things can be changed and still achieve the same result.
They could come up with any number of reasons why Snape hates harrys dad. It doesnt have to be bullying/racism. Bullying was just the reason they used in the books to explain Snape's hatred for Harry. It was a plot device, not a key part of the story. We dont even see James bully Snape until book 5, Order of the Phoenix.
Its like some of you dont understand that things can be changed and still achieve the same result.
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Posted on 4/15/25 at 10:26 am to Corinthians420
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They could come up with any number of reasons why Snape hates harrys dad. It doesnt have to be bullying/racism. Bullying was just the reason they used in the books to explain Snape's hatred for Harry. It was a plot device, not a key part of the story. We dont even see James bully Snape until book 5, Order of the Phoenix.
Its like some of you dont understand that things can be changed and still achieve the same result.
Thats fine, but now you are having to change things for no other reason that the choice you made in changing the race of the character.
I am still excited for the show but I hate the casting for Snape. I am also going to wait until there is something to be mad about before being mad about it. Everyone hated them turning the Velaryons black in House of the Dragon but they are some of my favorites on the show. It could turn out great and they do not bring race into it at all and its an afterthought. If they bring race into and make it a lecture on race relations or some shite then they deserve every bit of criticism that they will receive.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 10:32 am to The Godfather
Yeah its bullshite, but as someone else mentioned to even be eligible for the award shows these days they have to meet DEI quotas. Would probably be hard to get HBO to fund a show that isnt eligible for award shows after the success The Last of Us experienced with 93 wins and 134 nominations.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 10:37 am to Nutriaitch
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again, I've never read the books or seen any of the movies, so could you give examples of why it matters for that particular character?
Its hard to say without getting in to MAJOR spoilers.
But James and Snape hated each other and James Potter and his friends (all White, fyi), bullied Snape relentlessly.
This bleeds through to the Snape/Harry relationship, even though Harry never knew his father. Snape and Harry hate each other and Snape seemingly relentlessly loathes Harry
There are some very particular interactions and phrases said that now take on completely different connotations that just didn't need to happen
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