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re: Can someone explain Bran's Three Eyed Raven explanation?
Posted on 4/24/19 at 12:56 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Posted on 4/24/19 at 12:56 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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he previous three eyed raven, at least when he was talking/training Bran, he talked normal and seemed like a normal person not some complete weirdo.
The dude who lived under a tree for so long that his body became fused to the roots is just a normal person all of a sudden?
Posted on 4/24/19 at 12:58 pm to Ham Solo
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I will be sure to let you know in the year 2074.
This is wildly optimistic.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 1:03 pm to Not Cooper
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The dude who lived under a tree for so long that his body became fused to the roots is just a normal person all of a sudden?
I never said it wasnt weird the previous grew into a tree. But that further proves my point. A guy that was part tree is even more normal than Bran.
I cant see the books going this route.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 1:14 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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A guy that was part tree is even more normal than Bran.
I cant see the books going this route.
You are dismissing his entire life before that tree. He commanded a great army, squashed many rebellions, was hand of the king, and also Lord commander of the Nights Watch.
I would expect him to be more normal than a crippled 8 year old that's heading north to take over the job.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 1:15 pm to FootballNostradamus
Not to hijack the thread, but will the show ever explain how the NK saw and then grabbed Bran when he had that vision of himself at the tree where the NK was created and was surrounded by the army of the dead?
Will that ever be explained or is that just the show saying something like, "Hey, the NK is super powerful a bunch of abilities as the show needs them?"
eta: Same goes for how he knocked Bran out of warging that flock of ravens.
Will that ever be explained or is that just the show saying something like, "Hey, the NK is super powerful a bunch of abilities as the show needs them?"
eta: Same goes for how he knocked Bran out of warging that flock of ravens.
This post was edited on 4/24/19 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 4/24/19 at 1:17 pm to theGarnetWay
It’s possible that the NK is also a greenseer like the 3ER. And given his ancient age he’s probably a very powerful one too.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 3:58 pm to FootballNostradamus
If he can wipe out the past and memories the night will never end.....simple as that.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 4:01 pm to Ham Solo
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Seriously though, if the books do get finished they will go about a million times deeper into detail.
I have reason to think in the books that the Three Eyed Raven is a much more sinister figure than he was in the show. The place where Bran is in the books is evil. Something is horribly wrong.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 6:01 pm to OMLandshark
quote:I haven't read the books. But this is interesting;
I have reason to think in the books that the Three Eyed Raven is a much more sinister figure than he was in the show. The place where Bran is in the books is evil. Something is horribly wrong.
I've wondered about how the show basically hops lightly over the whole 3ER thing...
Night King is coming, the Wildlings want south of the Wall to survive. It is commented by Benjen and others (maybe) that the Wall has spells woven into it to prevent the Dead from passing. Now, that's somewhat questionable, as wights have been in Castle Black attempting to kill Jon and the Lord Commander. Maybe only the WW can't pass, until it's broken?
Anyway, NK et al can't get at 3ER either, until he marks Bran and can now come into the cave beneath the tree.
Bran retreats... back through the Wall. Did that mark also break the Wall's spells?
If that's the case, and stepping back to look at the story from a distance- why would 3ER bring Bran over, and then have it set up that he come back... if that's the one thing that allows the NK to follow?
NK is a WMD created by the Children. 3ER was attended to by the Children. It might not be inconceivable that the Children never did anything other than cease war awhile, waiting for the right moment to finish this. And Bran gave them that opportunity.
There seems to be different gods at play here. The Old Gods are the engine that drives the NK, 3ER and Children. The Lord of Light seems to be pushing Jon, Dany and Beric (and others to an extent, like the Hound). Not inspiring them, but positioning them against the Old Gods' weapons.
Not sure the angle of the Many Faced God, he wants death, but does he want extinction too?
Then, you have the Seven, the state religion of (maybe not so coincidentally) the Seven Kingdoms. This is the main religion, but thus far the most powerless in terms of deities doing stuff. No miracles thus far, unlike the others.
Who, then, are the Seven, and might they overlap into the final opposition to the Night King (and the saviors of Westeros)?
The Warrior- Jon
The Warrior represents strength and courage in battle
The Mother- Dany
The Mother represents mercy, peace, fertility, and childbirth
The Maiden- Sansa
The Maiden represents purity, innocence, love, and beauty
The Father- Jaime?
The Father represents divine justice, and judges the souls of the dead
The Smith- Gendry?
The Smith represents creation and craftsmanship
The Crone- Melisandre?
The Crone represents wisdom and foresight
The Stranger- Arya?
The Stranger represents death and the unknown
Posted on 4/24/19 at 6:50 pm to ctalati32
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I think they pretty well established that the ink is dry and that things in the past can't be changed.
Bran had already went into the past to affect Hodor, and if Bran hadn't done it, then Willis never would have become Hodor. And if Willis had never become Hodor then Bran wouldn't have been in the position to go back and turn Willis into Hodor. It had already happened which allowed it to happen in the future.
I kinda just looked at this like the part in interstellar.
Its not possible, but it was necessary
Posted on 4/24/19 at 7:07 pm to Scoob
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I've wondered about how the show basically hops lightly over the whole 3ER thing...
Night King is coming
I don’t think the Night King as he is in the show exists in the books. When Bryden Rivers (the Three Eyed Raven) went missing from the Night’s Watch, the White Walkers became active again. I don’t think that’s a coincidence.
In the books Euron also claims to have had a similar dream to Bran and then flew.
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“When I was a boy, I dreamt that I could fly,” he announced. “When I woke, I couldn’t…or so the maester said. But what if he lied?”
“…What do you mean?”
Euron turned to face him, his bruised blue lips curled in a half smile. “Perhaps we can fly. All of us. How will we ever know unless we leap from some tall tower?”
And as for what was said to Bran by the Three Eyed Crow in his feverish dream:
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"I can’t fly,” Bran said. “I can’t, I can’t…”
"How do you know? Have you ever tried?"
And there are other disturbing connections between Euron and Bloodraven as well. Bloodraven is the Three Eyed Crow and Euron is the Crow’s Eye. The Crow’s Eye is also red, and Bloodraven’s remaining eye is that also.
My theory is that Euron is the herald for the Three Eyed Crow that was recruited into his service when he had a massive fever in his youth that nearly killed him. The Three Eyed Crow has tried this many times before Bran since he saw a massive pile of corpses below him in his vision, and I think Euron also survived his. He’s using Euron and Bran to destroy Dany and her dragons. I’m not even sure if in the books Bran ever goes South of the Wall again. The Three Eyed Crow I’m convinced is completely evil and is wanting to destroy Westeros at large.
This post was edited on 4/24/19 at 7:22 pm
Posted on 4/24/19 at 8:11 pm to FootballNostradamus
Bran is no longer Bran. He died in that cave and Blood Raven took over his body when he was killed by the night king. Meera tells us you just have to listen. She says, “Bran you died in that cave.” Blood Raven brought Bran North for this very purpose. Bran/ Blood Raven has told us he isn’t Bran the past few episodes. He told Sam he is not Jon’s brother. He then told Jamie that he isn’t Brandon Stark anymore. They have literally beat us over the head with it.
This post was edited on 4/24/19 at 8:16 pm
Posted on 4/24/19 at 8:30 pm to Mrtommorrow1987
Unless the Night King has a plan for crossing the Narrow Sea he isn't going to end the world, only Westeros. There is still all that land across the ocean. Cersei has the Golden Company and Euron's fleet. What's to say Winterfell gets destroyed and she's like F-this, let's go for a boat ride and conquer the other side of the world.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 8:55 pm to SoDakHawk
I thought he meant the TER was a witness. Think of him like a historian that passes down information through the generations. Think of it this way, who would know any of the origin story of the WK if the TER line was broken. Also, think of the WK’s goal, to wipe out humanity, thereby erasing all their existence. I think if it this way, as long as someone is alive to remember a person and their deeds, are they really dead? They die fully when no one is around to remember them. That is the role of the TER, to remember and pass along knowledge to the next generation. No TER, if the WK kills Jon Snow and all of winterfell, it is as if those people never existed.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 8:56 pm to SoDakHawk
There’s very similar stories of the Long Night taking place in Essos.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 9:35 pm to FootballNostradamus
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it will be a long night forever because we have no memories.
The North remembers.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 10:19 pm to Mrtommorrow1987
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He told Sam he is not Jon’s brother.
No duh, he’s telling the truth, they’re cousins
Posted on 4/24/19 at 11:34 pm to Mrtommorrow1987
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Bran is no longer Bran
The TER goes back much further than Brynden Rivers, the one that taught Bran.
They probably go as far back as the first time the others came. Each one looks at different candidates for the next in line.
Euron was a candidate and passed over, probably because he's an a-hole.
The question is, is the TER plan sinister? I don't think so. It just seems sinister because whoever began this plan dispensed with any emotion or feelings because it was necessary.
That's why it requires the perfect candidate each time it's turned over.
Posted on 4/25/19 at 1:50 am to pbro62
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If he can wipe out the past and memories the night will never end.....simple as that.
Again, it's entirely understandable that the NK must kill Bran eventually. If your strategy is to bring on the forever night, then absolutely you have to eventually kill someone who remembers everything.
However, they don't make it clear why he's so valuable that he must kill him first. Their whole strategy is based on Bran being so valuable that the NK will expose himself just to kill Bran. Why the f would he do that if he can just kill the dude after the battle is over?
They haven't setup the urgency with which he needs to kill Bran.
Posted on 4/25/19 at 1:52 am to OMLandshark
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I have reason to think in the books that the Three Eyed Raven is a much more sinister figure than he was in the show. The place where Bran is in the books is evil. Something is horribly wrong.
This sounds very intriguing.
The more I hear about where the books stand the more I'm interested in reading them. If they ever do get finished I'll def knock them out, but I can't bring myself to do it unless I know they've been finished.
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