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Can someone explain Bran's Three Eyed Raven explanation?
Posted on 4/24/19 at 12:30 am
Posted on 4/24/19 at 12:30 am
When people ask why the Night King would want to kill him he says that it's because he is the protector of memories or something like that. Without him, it will be a long night forever because we have no memories.
Wtf sort of wacky northern snow dust is this cripple snorting?!? I love the idea of memories being our link to the past and what gives us our history and seperates us from animals and stuff like that, but it's not like Bran is out there hosting a bunch of Westerose Hardcore History podcasts every week. Hell, the last Three Eyed Raven just sat in a fvcking tree, how was he preserving memory?
And even if he did die, didn't we already have the scene where the Maester training Sam said that preserving history and memory is exactly what the Citadel does? So Bran is just some all-mighty Maester but doesn't really tell anyone about what he knows outside of a couple random quips from time to time?
Does the books do a better job of fleshing out this storyline, or is it just as unclear in the books too? I feel like it's the main thing the show has really struggled with.
Appreciate the help!
Wtf sort of wacky northern snow dust is this cripple snorting?!? I love the idea of memories being our link to the past and what gives us our history and seperates us from animals and stuff like that, but it's not like Bran is out there hosting a bunch of Westerose Hardcore History podcasts every week. Hell, the last Three Eyed Raven just sat in a fvcking tree, how was he preserving memory?
And even if he did die, didn't we already have the scene where the Maester training Sam said that preserving history and memory is exactly what the Citadel does? So Bran is just some all-mighty Maester but doesn't really tell anyone about what he knows outside of a couple random quips from time to time?
Does the books do a better job of fleshing out this storyline, or is it just as unclear in the books too? I feel like it's the main thing the show has really struggled with.
Appreciate the help!
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Posted on 4/24/19 at 12:42 am to FootballNostradamus
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Does the books do a better job of fleshing out this storyline
I will be sure to let you know in the year 2074.
Seriously though, if the books do get finished they will go about a million times deeper into detail.
We gripe about how long he takes, but they are damn good.
This post was edited on 4/24/19 at 12:51 am
Posted on 4/24/19 at 12:53 am to FootballNostradamus
The books haven't really fleshed out the TER. Bran has really only just arrived at his caverns. He's a long way from returning to the wall.
It reminds me of what Orwell wrote about the destruction of history and memory. The world in which 1984 is set is dominated by a state that erases all history, so that their rule and dictates are literally all that exists and can exist.
If the whole world is killed off, it won't matter what's in the Citidel. Bran has the ability to affect things. Maybe the NK taking him gives him some kind of crucial link to all of humanity, one that will enable him to control and erase everything.
The Dothraki have the prophesy in which the world is basically taken over by a relentless, blank white grass, presumably like The Nothing from Never Ending Story, so there seems to be a consistent threat of a nothingness taking over everything. I'm sure we haven't had it all explained to us yet. You have 6 hours of show left to be satisfied by their explanation or to start more bitchy threads.
It reminds me of what Orwell wrote about the destruction of history and memory. The world in which 1984 is set is dominated by a state that erases all history, so that their rule and dictates are literally all that exists and can exist.
If the whole world is killed off, it won't matter what's in the Citidel. Bran has the ability to affect things. Maybe the NK taking him gives him some kind of crucial link to all of humanity, one that will enable him to control and erase everything.
The Dothraki have the prophesy in which the world is basically taken over by a relentless, blank white grass, presumably like The Nothing from Never Ending Story, so there seems to be a consistent threat of a nothingness taking over everything. I'm sure we haven't had it all explained to us yet. You have 6 hours of show left to be satisfied by their explanation or to start more bitchy threads.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 1:13 am to blueboy
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It reminds me of what Orwell wrote about the destruction of history and memory. The world in which 1984 is set is dominated by a state that erases all history, so that their rule and dictates are literally all that exists and can exist.
Yea this theme has been used in lots of stories, and I typically find it quite interesting, if done correctly.
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If the whole world is killed off, it won't matter what's in the Citidel.
Yes and no. In the context of erasing memory being the way you bring about a permanent long night, if the Citadel and the maesters in it survive then yes it does matter as they would preserve the memories so we’d be able to rebuild humanity. Yes if every single person is dead then nothing matters, but I guess I don’t understand why he needs to kill Bran first or why he’s so important that he’d risk everything just to kill him.
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I'm sure we haven't had it all explained to us yet. You have 6 hours of show left to be satisfied by their explanation or to start more bitchy threads.
Take a chill pill man, was just trying to see if there was more context to it in the books for the exact reason you mentioned. We only have 6 hours left, and I feel like this is a crucial part that I don’t understand. Thought maybe the book folks could help me understand.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 3:08 am to FootballNostradamus
Perhaps the longer Bran is left alive the more likely he will see a way to defeat the Night King. Think about it, if you had an enemy that could see everything at will, that enemy would be the first piece you would want off the board.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 4:19 am to cssamerican
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Perhaps the longer Bran is left alive the more likely he will see a way to defeat the Night King. Think about it, if you had an enemy that could see everything at will, that enemy would be the first piece you would want off the board.
This def makes a bit more sense.
It seems, though, that they're going back and forth about Bran's abilities. Sometimes it seems like he can see everything (including the future), but sometimes it seems he can only go backwards. If he can see into the future, why is he being so coy and why won't he give more feedback?
This is always the toughest part about all-knowing characters in fantasy stories.
I got into this story way late and have only watched the show as it did such a good job in the beginning (from what my friends who read the books said). However, if he ever does finish them (I know, insert lazy fat man joke), I think I'll be interested in reading them specifically to get more insight into Bran and the Three Eyed Raven's purpose. He's clearly incredibly important, but I don't think the show has known how to develop or explain his character.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 4:58 am to FootballNostradamus
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It seems, though, that they're going back and forth about Bran's abilities. Sometimes it seems like he can see everything (including the future), but sometimes it seems he can only go backwards. If he can see into the future, why is he being so coy and why won't he give more feedback?
You make some good points. One explanation is that he never really finished his training (due to his own recklessness in exposing himself to the NK).
Also, "knowing the future" is always a tricky thing. Think about the prophecy Cerise got from Maggie the Frog when she was young. A lot of the stuff she did as a result of getting that prophecy - such as hating Tyrion- backfired on her and her actions actually brought the prophecy to fruition. Bran probably wants to avoid blabbing the stuff he has seen as it could effect things in unpredictable ways.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 5:16 am to Methuselah
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Also, "knowing the future" is always a tricky thing. Think about the prophecy Cerise got from Maggie the Frog when she was young. A lot of the stuff she did as a result of getting that prophecy - such as hating Tyrion- backfired on her and her actions actually brought the prophecy to fruition. Bran probably wants to avoid blabbing the stuff he has seen as it could effect things in unpredictable ways.
O absolutely. This sort of "can destiny be unwritten" and "is the ink really dry" and "can the consequences of choices we make to avoid something actually be worse than the original fate" sort of stuff is some of the best material in fantasy stories. They even sort of touched on it during Bran's training where he told him that he couldn't undo things, but then it sorta seemed like he did with Hodor.
It seems to me the show doesn't feel they can do this storyline justice in the limited time they have, and so instead they sort of turned Bran into this sort of weird sage. I'm not sure where things stand with him in the book so I was curious if they had gone into more detail with him. He's easily (IMO of course) the worst part of the show because of the limitations I mentioned, but I could see him being one of the most interesting parts of the book.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 6:15 am to FootballNostradamus
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Sometimes it seems like he can see everything (including the future)
I don't recall them ever showing him being able to see into the future, only the past and present, but maybe I'm forgetting something.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 7:29 am to FootballNostradamus
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O absolutely. This sort of "can destiny be unwritten" and "is the ink really dry" and "can the consequences of choices we make to avoid something actually be worse than the original fate" sort of stuff is some of the best material in fantasy stories. They even sort of touched on it during Bran's training where he told him that he couldn't undo things, but then it sorta seemed like he did with Hodor.
I think they pretty well established that the ink is dry and that things in the past can't be changed.
Bran had already went into the past to affect Hodor, and if Bran hadn't done it, then Willis never would have become Hodor. And if Willis had never become Hodor then Bran wouldn't have been in the position to go back and turn Willis into Hodor. It had already happened which allowed it to happen in the future.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 8:19 am to FootballNostradamus
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Wtf sort of wacky northern snow dust is this cripple snorting?!?
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but it's not like Bran is out there hosting a bunch of Westerose Hardcore History podcasts every week. Hell, the last Three Eyed Raven just sat in a fvcking tree,
Agreed. I feel like meisters do more than the guy that sat in a tree north of the wall
Posted on 4/24/19 at 8:24 am to FootballNostradamus
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Bran is out there hosting a bunch of Westerose Hardcore History podcasts every week.
I laughed pretty hard.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 8:58 am to FootballNostradamus
When have they ever shown that Bran can see the future? I can only remember his ability to see into the past and all things present.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 8:59 am to Jack Daniel
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Agreed. I feel like meisters do more than the guy that sat in a tree north of the wall
The NK wants to erase all memories of man. He can destroy everything in the entire world, but if he doesn't kill Bran then every memory still exists.
Not everything is written on paper. Bran has more information than could ever possible be put on paper, so it's logical to start with Bran.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 9:01 am to FootballNostradamus
Simple answer: Bran is lying
Posted on 4/24/19 at 9:33 am to FootballNostradamus
I definitely think he has some ability to see into the future but I don't think those skills are as honed as his others. There's also the strong possibility that the NK is able to obstruct his views, especially in regards to Bran being able to see what the NK is doing. We've seen him disrupt bran while he was warging and obviously when he marked him.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 9:46 am to FootballNostradamus
quote:but I said
In the context of erasing memory being the way you bring about a permanent long night, if the Citadel and the maesters in it survive then yes it does matter
quote:which is the WW goal.
If the whole world is killed off, it won't matter what's in the Citidel.
Sorry, but your OP sounded way too much like one of the bitch threads. As I said, Bran has really only just arrived at the 3ER cavern, and is currently dining on what some thing might be parts of Jojen (long story) and is just beginning to learn what the 3ER is. There's 2 big thick 1000 page novels left to go, so I'm sure a lot of the explanation for Bran's importance will be in them.
I've said for a couple of years that this is part of their marketing strategy for the books. Some things, we'll want to know more about, like this. In a lot of other cases, different characters will die, characters like Aegon (not Jon, the other one) will be played. I.E. the fans who will soon be left wanting more or wanting a different conclusion will get it.
shite, I wouldn't be surprised if GRRM has multiple endings written, and will publish the one he thinks fans want most.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 10:45 am to FootballNostradamus
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It seems to me the show doesn't feel they can do this storyline justice in the limited time they have, and so instead they sort of turned Bran into this sort of weird sage.
I hate how they have him act. He is basically a zombie.
The previous three eyed raven, at least when he was talking/training Bran, he talked normal and seemed like a normal person not some complete weirdo.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 12:01 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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The previous three eyed raven, at least when he was talking/training Bran, he talked normal and seemed like a normal person not some complete weirdo.
True, but he also lived a full life as Brynden Rivers before becoming the 3 eyed raven.
Bran began this journey as a child and is also more powerful.
I do see your point though, just playing devil's advocate.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 12:32 pm to Brummy
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I don't recall them ever showing him being able to see into the future, only the past and present, but maybe I'm forgetting something.
No idea who the pencil-dick was that down-voted this.
In Season Six when he first becomes the Three-Eyed Raven he sees the explosion of the Sept of Baelor before those plans are even finalized (much less in motion).
As far as we know the former Three-Eyed Raven died before he could teach Bran everything he could do so it may have been an uncontrollable aspect of his abilities or just one that Bran hasn't been able to harness yet.
This post was edited on 4/24/19 at 12:33 pm
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