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Posted on 5/15/25 at 10:17 am to
Posted by minimal
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Posted on 5/15/25 at 10:17 am to
Not a gasper, but if we're listing awesome final moments, I'll add

K2SO using Heert as a ragdoll shield


ISB getting their asses handed to them by 2 men, kleya, and a droid was pleasing



ETA: Kleya
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Posted by Mickey Goldmill
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Posted on 5/15/25 at 10:47 am to
One of the best scenes in the whole show to me was Krennic with Dedra after her screw up.






Also, the look on Partagaz's face when he's listening to the operation falling apart. His whole life is flashing before his eyes in that moment.
Posted by facher08
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Posted on 5/15/25 at 10:48 am to
There was a part of me that wanted to see Andy Serkis reemerge, since it was never confirmed he drowned. He's such a good actor, and would have made a great rebel.
Posted by Esquire
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Posted on 5/15/25 at 11:02 am to
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If you’re not a rebel spy, you’ve missed your calling.
Posted by TigerFanatic99
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Posted on 5/15/25 at 11:24 am to
Honestly my biggest personal disappointment with the show is we didn't get more Krennic. He played that role as imposing as any villain in cinema.

I would do anything for a season or two of a new show, call it Krennic. Have it follow him as the lead over the course of Project Stardust just being an imposing badass and shite.

We need more villian stories.
Posted by MattA
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Posted on 5/15/25 at 11:43 am to
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The scene where the tech was "impressed" by the setup was funny


It really was. She was geeking out over their comms set up.
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 5/15/25 at 11:50 am to
So... Dedra goes down for... clerical errors?

I mean, ok, follow me here.
The Luthen arrest/death; that doesn't make sense. She's been chasing Ajax for years. She set a trap on Ferrix, it went bad, didn't catch either Andor (target) or Luthen (the big fish she wanted). In addition, they lose Bix, the prisoner that gives them leverage over Andor and may have intel to give.
But her career is fast-tracked after that failure.
This time, she actually FINDS Ajax/Luthen, and brings him in alive. If the security in the hospital doesn't screw up, he's going to be interrogated. They are hunting Kleya now.
That part isn't on her, it's on the tactical team guarding the prisoner.

Death Star info is leaked, because as Crennix tells her, Lonnie used her password and got the info. And now Lonnie disappears and shows up dead within hours of getting that.
That pretty much says Lonnie is/was the spy, not her.

She found out about the Death Star, not because she dug into things, but because somebody sent her the data packets by mistake, and being a high ranking ISB officer she naturally opened it. You drop a folder on a KGB officer's desk, they are going to open it. It's what they do.
Posted by BottomlandBrew
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Posted on 5/15/25 at 11:51 am to
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the look on Partagaz's face when he's listening to the operation falling apart. His whole life is flashing before his eyes in that moment.



I for sure didn't see him ending up how he ended up.
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
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Posted on 5/15/25 at 11:59 am to
Luthen's codename was Axis, but to your point, I think her biggest screw up besides trying to take Luthen alone was not reporting the intel that she mistakenly received. She wasn't supposed to have it and if she had reported it, it probably would have been removed from her files and Lonnie would have never seen it.

She allowed the information to be leaked by holding onto it.
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 5/15/25 at 12:05 pm to
She's a habitual line stepper, and admitted she's often digging into things she shouldn't be. She was sent files by accident, and instead of fixing the mistake, she held on to them. Regardless of how much she read them, she had no clearance and them being in her possession is a security risk. But her big offense is allowing her security info to be compromised by Lonnie, hence allowing this big secret to get out. You can call the Empire irrational, but it's easy to see how they wanted to put her out to pasture.

It's an interesting and sad parallel between her and Syril. Both finally came face to face with their obsessions, but in the end no one really cared or noticed. Krennic and Partagaz didn't care if she had actually captured Axis or not. The only thing that mattered was "who else knows about the Death Star".
Posted by TeddyPadillac
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Posted on 5/15/25 at 12:18 pm to
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Honestly my biggest personal disappointment with the show is we didn't get more Krennic. He played that role as imposing as any villain in cinema.




That he did. Just his presence in any room made everyone nervous, which makes his interaction with Vader in Rogue One so great. You have this guy going around like he's the big bad arse in the galaxy treating everyone in his path like crap, but when he actually comes across the biggest bad arse in the galaxy he acts like a scared little dog. It also shows you the respect that Tarkin had from Vader as he was probably the only person in the galaxy who wasn't afraid of him and just acted normal around him.

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I would do anything for a season or two of a new show, call it Krennic. Have it follow him as the lead over the course of Project Stardust just being an imposing badass and shite.


I'd love to see more of him too, but i think we saw just about everything we could with him.
I think a good show could be told from the Empires point of view on the the thought process of building the death star, the leadup to building it, and then it's destruction. But that would really be a show about Palpatine, which i would love to see a multi season show just on him (mainly the bad side, not the senator from naboo side), and it can basically lead up to the OT. They'd have to recast Palpatine since McDiarmid is 80, but that is an area of Star Wars I'd love to see made. And there's no way to do that without Vader, and i'm sure they don't want to use him unless its in a movie, and even then i think they simply want to limit his screen time in general as to not frick anything up like they know they would do with his character.
Posted by CP3forMVP
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Posted on 5/15/25 at 12:18 pm to
Watching the Declassified, did anyone hear Kleya's actress talk about her and Luthen's relationship? Really interesting stuff:

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It's not a father daughter relationship, because for it to become that it would mean that Kleya forgives him for having done that to her family. There are parts of Kleya that really hates this man, that day is not going anywhere, it will always be between them, but love does grow around it. It's a very conflicting place for Kleya to exist in.
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 5/15/25 at 1:30 pm to
Is there anything in the lore that explains how Galen Erso knows Saw?
Posted by dcw7g
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Posted on 5/15/25 at 1:40 pm to
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Is there anything in the lore that explains how Galen Erso knows Saw?
Isn't that in Rogue One? Doesn't a young Saw rescue young Jyn Erso when Krennic comes for her dad? Seemed clear he was a friend of the family. That being said, I haven't seen Rogue One in years so I might misremember. Can't wait to rewatch soon.
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 5/15/25 at 1:44 pm to
Yeah, that's how I know they know each other. But how did an imperial engineer and a radical separatist meet?

Just from Rogue One, he's simply Uncle Saw. The more we see of him, I have questions.
This post was edited on 5/15/25 at 1:47 pm
Posted by PJinAtl
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Posted on 5/15/25 at 1:47 pm to
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She was sent files by accident, and instead of fixing the mistake, she held on to them. Regardless of how much she read them, she had no clearance and them being in her possession is a security risk

Anyone who has ever worked for a government agency (especially at the federal level) knows one of the first things you are told (and reminded of annually) is that if you receive an email that is sent to you by mistake, delete it immediately without reading or opening any attachments.
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 5/15/25 at 1:52 pm to
And contact someone.

I remember doing that training multiple times. Forever made me paranoid of random loose USB sticks.
Posted by Esquire
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Posted on 5/15/25 at 2:10 pm to
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Is there anything in the lore that explains how Galen Erso knows Saw?


They met through a mutual friend when Galen first escaped the Empire. Saw coordinated the escape and purchased the farm for them.
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 5/15/25 at 2:15 pm to
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Luthen's codename was Axis
whoops, yep. Don't know why I typed Ajax.
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think her biggest screw up besides trying to take Luthen alone was not reporting the intel that she mistakenly received


OK, I got downvoted, but I will repeat- simple clerical error

Knowledge of the Death Star= death sentence. Dedra knew that, that's why she didn't report it.
Partagaz, the ISB chief knew that. He had no idea why they were strip-mining Ghorman, he and his people simply devised the reason they could do so without opposition. He wasn't in the loop, knew nothing about the Death Star. But in the finale, he knows, and he fricking tells Crennic "you should have already been finished with this". So how does he know? Because he read Dedra's files.
And that's why when they come for him, he shoots himself. He knows there's no way out, no answer, it's a disappearance.

All this happened because the ISB was competent enough to catch Lonnie's hack, and investigated it. Dedra, Lonnie (who Luthen already killed), anyone in the investigation, with knowledge of what was in that file- gone.
And what's funny, as Partagaz pointed out by saying that- it didn't have to happen that way. The Death Star development was super-secret, but the actual Death Star would be very public knowledge. As Tarkin stated in Star Wars, they could dissolve the Senate, and fear of this station would keep the systems in line. In other words, once the Death Star became operational and the Senate dissolved, this is no longer crucial info. And nobody would know to dig, except Crennic and Tarkin; and they wouldn't put themselves at risk doing so.

So, Lonnie, by hacking and drawing attention to a file that was sent BY MISTAKE, effectively decapitated the ISB, which was the biggest threat to the Rebel Alliance. The ISB probably would have tracked them down, they had tabs on most of the players.

Simple clerical error
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 5/15/25 at 2:21 pm to
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a file that was sent BY MISTAKE


Just talked to a friend about this. I'm pretty sure she was lying about how she got those files.


But even if she was being truthful about it, again, her big mistake was letting someone access her files. They were desperate to keep the secret safe. Because Kleya was able to get word out to the rebellion, the wheels were set in motion for them to find Jyn, contact Saw, learn of the weak point, and steal the plans. If no one finds out and the Death Star is fully operational and in action before anyone knows it exists, the Empire could have wiped out the entire rebellion before anyone knew what happened.

That's why they were viewed as colossal failures by Dedra and Partagaz.
This post was edited on 5/15/25 at 2:34 pm
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