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Posted on 5/15/25 at 2:27 pm to Scoob
She learned about DStar. That is enough. How she learned about it is not determinative of sentence, but it is an aggravating factor. Scavenging outside her lane. But on top of it all she fricked up taking in Axis, again outside her mandate. She is heavily tainted.
Krennic has to throw people under the bus so be doesn't get thrown under the bus. The single biggest secret and priority of Emp. Palp.
You want to be obtuse and call all that clerical error, then go ahead. Maybe another 500 words will help.
Krennic has to throw people under the bus so be doesn't get thrown under the bus. The single biggest secret and priority of Emp. Palp.
You want to be obtuse and call all that clerical error, then go ahead. Maybe another 500 words will help.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 2:28 pm to sicboy
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Is there anything in the lore that explains how Galen Erso knows Saw?
I found this, but it was unsourced so I don't know if it's fanfic or from an official source. Sounds like they just met when Galen was trying to extract himself from Stardust and escape from Coruscant. Saw apparently was the one he paid to smuggle him and his family out. I guess they became somewhat friends while on the way out and transitioning into hiding.
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During the Clone Wars, Galen Erso worked on a project with his old friend, Orson Krennic to study the kyber crystals used in a Jedi’s lightsaber. He believed that his research was for energy development. Instead, Galen soon found that it was to power the Death Star.
Galen, his wife Lyra, and their daughter Jyn soon went on the run, as Galen wanted no part in the Death Star project. He managed to secure passage off of Coruscant from none other than Saw Gerrera, who brought them to a planet called Lah’mu. He believed they would be safe there, as it was remote and desolate yet with a bit of tranquility. Young Jyn formed an immediate attachment to him and looked at him as a friend. She even wanted him to stay with them on Lah’mu, but Saw couldn’t remain behind. He told the family, though, that he would visit whenever he could and would always be there to help them.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 2:37 pm to minimal
quote:Obviously
She learned about DStar. That is enough
quote:I don't think that mattered.
But on top of it all she fricked up taking in Axis, again outside her mandate. She is heavily tainted.
quote:Not sure why you're being an arse on that, since I'm just discussing a very detailed and subtle show. Not everything has been front-and-center obvious, it's part of what made the show great.
You want to be obtuse and call all that clerical error, then go ahead. Maybe another 500 words will help.
Partagaz doesn't go down if it's because she's out of her lane, he has her eliminated.
quote:Yeah, I think you're right with this. He isn't revealing how the info got into the ISB's hands, he's taking them all out to cover his own arse.
Krennic has to throw people under the bus so be doesn't get thrown under the bus. The single biggest secret and priority of Emp. Palp
And the mistake was ultimately on his head, his people.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 3:07 pm to Scoob
I wonder what happened to Lonnie's wife and kid. They couldn't stay in hiding on Coruscant forever. Only Lonnie knew where they were.
Does the ISB hunt them down on the off chance he said something to them?
Does the ISB hunt them down on the off chance he said something to them?
Posted on 5/15/25 at 3:44 pm to sicboy
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Is this in a book?
Posted on 5/15/25 at 3:45 pm to Scoob
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So how does he know? Because he read Dedra's files.
And that's why when they come for him, he shoots himself. He knows there's no way out, no answer, it's a disappearance.
Partagaz killed himself because he failed in capturing Kleya, thus letting the secret get out.
When he and Krennic leave their meeting together, Krennic mentions to him he has a plague to stop (catching Kleya). That’s why he looked so devastated while the operation fell apart.
I don’t believe his downfall had anything to do with him personally knowing about the Death Star.
And I don’t think Dedra simply knowing about it would have put her in that much trouble either. It was the fact that she allowed her files to be hacked and that hacker was now dead - obviously showing he passed on the info. She allowed the secret to get out. Same thing as Partagaz.
This post was edited on 5/15/25 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 5/15/25 at 4:21 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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And I don’t think Dedra simply knowing about it would have put her in that much trouble either. It was the fact that she allowed her files to be hacked and that hacker was now dead - obviously showing he passed on the info.
I think it's somewhere in between.
The fact that she knew by reading (and more importantly holding on to) files she shouldn't have gave the hacker the opportunity to get enough information to make 2+2 = 4.
Also, by reading things outside of her lane, she herself becomes a risk in that she can be compromised or tortured and possibly reveal what she knows even without the hack. Makes me think of the old story that I've heard how no one knows the complete formula for Coca-Cola, instead 3 or 4 people each know part of it.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 6:40 pm to PJinAtl
The more I think about it, the more I wonder: did Lonnie burn himself on purpose?
The issues: Dedra had the Death Star info, and her account got hacked.
She apparently had that info a good minute, and that hadn't triggered anything.
Ok, she got hacked...
By a senior level ISB guy who was good enough not just to sit in on the big boy conferences, but also to be a double agent for Luthen. And as he stated, he had her password. For a year I think.
If you have my password and login info, how does anyone else know you aren't me? Because Dedra didn't know she was hacked until they told her.
Was it simply a matter of, if he logs in he is burned? Wanted to force an extraction, and stumbled across this in the process?
Did he find it, and decide to spotlight it, knowing the fallout would create a mess in the ISB?
The issues: Dedra had the Death Star info, and her account got hacked.
She apparently had that info a good minute, and that hadn't triggered anything.
Ok, she got hacked...
By a senior level ISB guy who was good enough not just to sit in on the big boy conferences, but also to be a double agent for Luthen. And as he stated, he had her password. For a year I think.
If you have my password and login info, how does anyone else know you aren't me? Because Dedra didn't know she was hacked until they told her.
Was it simply a matter of, if he logs in he is burned? Wanted to force an extraction, and stumbled across this in the process?
Did he find it, and decide to spotlight it, knowing the fallout would create a mess in the ISB?
Posted on 5/15/25 at 9:05 pm to Scoob
We might be saying the same thing, but here’s what I don’t understand about the Lonnie/Dedra situation:
When Lonnie finds the files, he immediately signals Luthen and says he needs to GTFO today because they’ll be hunting him for what he found. The implication (at least as I understood it) was that the ISB would find out he accessed the files and freak out.
But then when Dedra gets arrested we find out she’s had the files for quite some time. She doesn’t know Lonnie hacked her, as you said.
So why didn’t the alarm bells go off at ISB when Dedra accessed the files? Why would Lonnie trigger alarm bells by accessing them under her login if she hadn’t triggered anything all along?
I understand how Lonnie’s death would lead to further investigation, and how that investigation might lead to Krennic finding out Dedra has the files. But I can’t help but wonder if Lonnie was really in as much trouble as he made out to Luthen.
I guess maybe it is, as you said, “he logs in he is burned.” Maybe it would have triggered something if he logged in to his terminal under her account. Or maybe he just didn’t realize that Dedra wasn’t supposed to have those files either. I don’t think it’s necessarily a plot hole, just a little curious.
When Lonnie finds the files, he immediately signals Luthen and says he needs to GTFO today because they’ll be hunting him for what he found. The implication (at least as I understood it) was that the ISB would find out he accessed the files and freak out.
But then when Dedra gets arrested we find out she’s had the files for quite some time. She doesn’t know Lonnie hacked her, as you said.
So why didn’t the alarm bells go off at ISB when Dedra accessed the files? Why would Lonnie trigger alarm bells by accessing them under her login if she hadn’t triggered anything all along?
I understand how Lonnie’s death would lead to further investigation, and how that investigation might lead to Krennic finding out Dedra has the files. But I can’t help but wonder if Lonnie was really in as much trouble as he made out to Luthen.
I guess maybe it is, as you said, “he logs in he is burned.” Maybe it would have triggered something if he logged in to his terminal under her account. Or maybe he just didn’t realize that Dedra wasn’t supposed to have those files either. I don’t think it’s necessarily a plot hole, just a little curious.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 10:17 pm to lostinbr
He probably panicked when he saw what he saw. They may not have necessarily been on him that fast, but given what he saw, he thought they would be.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 10:34 pm to MAXtheTIGER
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I was legitimately sad after watching episode 12 to think there was no more story to tell. This has been the best TV experience I’ve had in a long time.
man that final scene... I'm at a loss for words.
so somehow Cassian sacrificed even more... frick
Posted on 5/15/25 at 10:40 pm to Corinthians420
Thought the show was great and filled in a bunch for me
I’m not a huge Star Wars nerd but I watch most of the shows and movies
Enjoyed rogue one.. Will rewatch it again after finishing andor as I won’t be quite as confused and will know who the players are and how they got there
I liked how it slowly trickled out pieces of info throughout about the Death Star knowing and seeing the info slowly cobble together to where they figure out what’s really going on
I’m not a huge Star Wars nerd but I watch most of the shows and movies
Enjoyed rogue one.. Will rewatch it again after finishing andor as I won’t be quite as confused and will know who the players are and how they got there
I liked how it slowly trickled out pieces of info throughout about the Death Star knowing and seeing the info slowly cobble together to where they figure out what’s really going on
Posted on 5/15/25 at 10:55 pm to Lawyered
yeah i'm gonna have to rewatch Rogue One tomorrow night or something.
This feels like the perfect rebellion origin story.
What a ride.
This feels like the perfect rebellion origin story.
What a ride.
Posted on 5/16/25 at 5:57 am to Mickey Goldmill
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They may not have necessarily been on him that fast, but given what he saw, he thought they would be.
Makes me question how Erso was allowed to leave the program and disappear to that farm for four years before Krennic found him. Feels like someone with his level of access to the program and knowledge of the station's inner workings would have been an all hands, drop everything priority for the ISB the second he disappeared from his apartment on Coruscant.
Kind of a plot hole.
Posted on 5/16/25 at 7:27 am to TigerFanatic99
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Kind of a plot hole
He was in hiding... Are you saying its a plot hole he was able to hide well? Lol
He was one of the smartest men in the galaxy. The galaxy is a big place. Rebel leaders and Saw were able to hide for longer.
This post was edited on 5/16/25 at 7:33 am
Posted on 5/16/25 at 7:35 am to TigerFanatic99
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Makes me question how Erso was allowed to leave the program and disappear to that farm for four years before Krennic found him. Feels like someone with his level of access to the program and knowledge of the station's inner workings would have been an all hands, drop everything priority for the ISB the second he disappeared from his apartment on Coruscant.
Kind of a plot hole.
Looking at some timelines, it was only like 2 years after the clone wars when he escaped. I think it’s reasonable to assume that the ISB are less capable at that stage than they are ~17 years later, at the end of the Andor.
And still, Krennic did eventually find him 4 years later as you said.
Posted on 5/16/25 at 8:11 am to lostinbr
My god
Do we have to nitpick every little thing about a show that has blown most of the other Disney shows out of the water
Do we have to nitpick every little thing about a show that has blown most of the other Disney shows out of the water
Posted on 5/16/25 at 9:35 am to nicholastiger
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Do we have to nitpick every little thing about a show that has blown most other shows out of the water
Seems to be an internet culture thing. Everyone wants to throw in their critical contribution. It doesn't fit the definition of a plot hole though. Even if you think its unlikely he would be able to hide from the empire for 4 years.
A plot hole is a gap or inconsistency in a story's plot that contradicts established rules, logic, or character behavior.
Its pretty consistent with star wars that rebels/people can hide from the empire.
Posted on 5/16/25 at 11:32 am to Corinthians420
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Its pretty consistent with star wars that rebels/people can hide from the empire.
It's kinda the theme of every movie
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