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re: 12 Years A Slave
Posted on 6/25/26 at 5:56 pm to Madking
Posted on 6/25/26 at 5:56 pm to Madking
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Again you have to make a straw man to push your point so thanks for proving mine.
Point out the strawman, slick. I don't think you know what that is. You claim to want to introduce that as a reading source it is "political propaganda", and that's because you think it's woke to talk about someone that escaped slavery because it tarnishes the FF and the country's history. That's your opinion you and others stated.
Go make sure that Confederate sticker isn't falling off.
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Posted on 6/25/26 at 5:57 pm to deltadummy
So you defend your straw man by creating another. Thanks again
Posted on 6/25/26 at 5:58 pm to Big Scrub TX
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This movie is great and the source material is must-read - and should be for all American middle schoolers.
Posted on 6/25/26 at 5:58 pm to JasonDBlaha
Unless it was the 1860's, that's kind of a nonsense statement.
It can be a good movie and Obama-era race porn at the same time. It's okay.
It can be a good movie and Obama-era race porn at the same time. It's okay.
Posted on 6/25/26 at 6:01 pm to blueboy
I mean Sue Eakin was a history professor at LSU who had done a lot of research on the antebellum slave industry
Regardless of its historical accuracy, it nails the cultural immersion part of Louisiana big time. How can someone claim to be a true Southern baw when they’ve never seen 12 years a slave?
Regardless of its historical accuracy, it nails the cultural immersion part of Louisiana big time. How can someone claim to be a true Southern baw when they’ve never seen 12 years a slave?
This post was edited on 6/25/26 at 6:03 pm
Posted on 6/25/26 at 6:47 pm to JasonDBlaha
The Epps plantation is on the grounds of LSUA
Posted on 6/25/26 at 6:50 pm to JasonDBlaha
Paul Dano with the scene stealer....
Posted on 6/25/26 at 7:11 pm to Hester Carries
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well it is.
Is it? It’s a book that was written in the 1800s and they stuck to the book pretty close.
So instead of watching it with droopy face because you think someone is trying to make you feel bad, watch how you’re supposed to and as a historical event.
Slavery happened, did it not? It was fricking awful, was it not? There was nothing in that movie that made me feel some sort of white guilt BS. I watched it with a historical eye and nothing more.
Posted on 6/25/26 at 8:00 pm to Prominentwon
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Is it? It’s a book that was written in the 1800s and they stuck to the book pretty close.
Ok?
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So instead of watching it with droopy face because you think someone is trying to make you feel bad,
I watched it when it came out and thought it was fine.
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watch how you’re supposed to and as a historical event.
what % of it is historical?
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Slavery happened, did it not?
Sure.
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It was fricking awful, was it not?
Given that these events are in fact "historical" as you say (which you should look into because there is a lot of scholarly contention surrounding this), its basically the absolute peak awfulness of American Slavery. Fassbender is a cartoonishly evil person with no redeeming qualities.
The fact that every slave movie has a psychopathic evil plantation master proves that its propaganda and not pure history, as we know this wasn't exclusively true. Are you under the impression that propaganda cant be true?
I would say that Hollywood has pretty effectively taught generations upon generations of people that Solomon Northrup and Toby had the standard experience.
Not a lot of "ill grant you slavery is wrong. But here's a story of people of a time that treated slaves well, taught them to read, allowed families to stay together, and worked along side them" movies going around. We know there are cases of this. You don't wonder why that is?
I would say that every NAZI being a fricking Bond villain in WW2 provides purposefully myopic of view of history that is, by definition, inaccurate.
But keep learning all your history from Hollywood.
This post was edited on 6/25/26 at 8:02 pm
Posted on 6/25/26 at 8:05 pm to JasonDBlaha
legit great movie for many reasons
Posted on 6/25/26 at 9:00 pm to Hester Carries
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Fassbender is a cartoonishly evil person with no redeeming qualities.
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But keep learning all of your history from Hollywood
Epps was literally that way in the book. If he wasn’t awful, Northup wouldn’t have said it
Northup had no issue with saying that Master Ford was a good guy despite the fact that he was a slave owner. That should tell you something.
I’m not going to pretend that Northup wasn’t looking to make a profit off of his story, but based on all of the historical sources and people who knew him at the time, he was a pretty genuine guy who had no reason to embellish anything.
This post was edited on 6/25/26 at 9:07 pm
Posted on 6/25/26 at 9:41 pm to JasonDBlaha
Why is this movie so polarizing on this thread??? I thought it was fantastic!!
Posted on 6/25/26 at 9:56 pm to GatorPA84
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Why is this movie so polarizing on this thread??? I thought it was fantastic!!
Exactly dude that’s what I was thinking
It’s a film that has beautiful cinematography, a moving soundtrack, and immerses itself deep into Southern culture.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: you ain’t a true Southern baw if you’ve never seen 12 years a slave
Posted on 6/25/26 at 10:56 pm to Hester Carries
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You don't wonder why that is?
Because such a story would be quickly and correctly identified as pro-Confederate propaganda. These stories do exist, of course. One is frequently defended on this board.
A "benevolent" slave owner was still a slave owner. Being taught to read doesn't justify the evil.
Good look though, pulling both the "not all slave owners" and the "not all Nazis" in the same post.
Posted on 6/25/26 at 11:14 pm to Jay Are
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Because such a story would be quickly and correctly identified as pro-Confederate propaganda. These stories do exist, of course.
Bro you agree with my post. Pushing only one version of history so that it becomes the only version of history, even when the history is accurate, is still....propaganda. Im defending the stance of this movie being propaganda.
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A "benevolent" slave owner was still a slave owner. Being taught to read doesn't justify the evil.
I didnt say it did. And i didnt say it wasnt an evil. I said there were many different versions of this historical enterprise. And we dont learn them or see them depicted. You wouldnt want to see many different depictions of historical events and gain better, full context from simply a contextual standpoint? I know i like to.
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Good look though, pulling both the "not all slave owners" and the "not all Nazis" in the same post.
Did you seriously not understand that that was the exact point of me doing that? Two well-established "villains" of history that when you dive deep into it you realize that 90% are just...people.
Im not sure how it benefits anyones knowledge of history to view things like they are comicbooks full of groups of one dimensional sadistic villains.
Picking those specific stories, and only those stories, to represent something, is by defintion, propaganda.
This post was edited on 6/25/26 at 11:15 pm
Posted on 6/25/26 at 11:35 pm to Hester Carries
Great movie. Everyone in here needs to go listen to Dan Carlin’s podcast episode on the history of slavery. No one can explain it better than
Posted on 6/26/26 at 12:32 am to JasonDBlaha
They just put a statue in Avoyelles Parish
Posted on 6/26/26 at 1:31 am to tigerfan84
My head canon.
Posted on 6/26/26 at 6:56 am to Madking
The book is fake too. It was written by two New York lawyers who also falsified Texas Ranger stories for publish.
—-Total rubbish. Just read the annotated edition. Everything Northup wrote was verified by historians 100 years later. Extensive footnotes back up every story, except Northup Misspelled Cocodrie swamp and a baddie named Thibaut.
—-Total rubbish. Just read the annotated edition. Everything Northup wrote was verified by historians 100 years later. Extensive footnotes back up every story, except Northup Misspelled Cocodrie swamp and a baddie named Thibaut.
Posted on 6/26/26 at 7:24 am to JasonDBlaha
Great movie with a very emotional ending. Don't care if it is historically accurate or not As a stand alone movie, it's great. Do you know how many great movies that you could attack for it's historical inaccuracies?
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