re: 12 Years A Slave

I don't think anyone denies that he was a slave or where, but the details were massively embellished by a guy who was known to have done so in his other published works.

ETA: and seriously, this was released in the height of the Obama presidency. Everything was race porn back then.

The source material - the book is fantastic.

And if the woke meter went from 1 to 100, I would score a 0.

Movie was excellent but it’s fiction

Nothing wrong with teaching slavery but the version taught in our public schools is deliberately incomplete and it is used as a weapon to induce white guilt and foster hatred towards the country's founders. They don't let it be known that slavery was not an American or white invention but universal and practiced across all continents for thousands of year. Africans kingdoms captured and sold their own people and even the first legal slave owner in America was a black man. Again nothing wrong with teaching it but don't leave out the entire story. I bet you didn't know in some countries like Japan they don't even teach anything negative to kids about their own country because they want kids growing up to have pride and love for their country. We should never go to that extreme but at least be fair to both sides.

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In terms of "woke", I mean, it features a black female plantation owner as one of the characters.

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Wut?

Two hours of picking on a 160-year-old scab so it will never heal. Time to move on.

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I disregard the film as mostly Hollywood tripe - particularly the depiction of William Prince Ford, which was grossly unfair when you consider what was written about him

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Northup clearly states in the book that master Ford was a kind man who didn’t mistreat any of the slaves. The film simply went off what was written in the book.

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Nothing wrong with teaching slavery but the version taught in our public schools is deliberately incomplete and it is used as a weapon to induce white guilt and foster hatred towards the country's founders. They don't let it be known that slavery was not an American or white invention but universal and practiced across all continents for thousands of year. Africans kingdoms captured and sold their own people and even the first legal slave owner in America was a black man. Again nothing wrong with teaching it but don't leave out the entire story. I bet you didn't know in some countries like Japan they don't even teach anything negative to kids about their own country because they want kids growing up to have pride and love for their country. We should never go to that extreme but at least be fair to both sides.

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Actually, I agree that the story taught in schools is one-sided, and I'm aware/sure that the Japanese/Chinese/Russians/various other countries don't teach the "truth" in their schools for patriotic reasons. Hardly some insightful piece of information, but you can measure your manhood on it nonetheless. Madking thinks teaching about a man who was kidnapped and then escaped is "political propagranda". You wanna speak to that? That it's political propaganda to point out a badass that was kidnapped but escaped? Cause that doesn't translate to all Americans? To overcome? To persevere" To never give up? Cause only white Americans can do that?

Nah, you don't. It's easier to say "so long ago; we don't need anymore stories". Your sort claims you would've picked your own cotton, but you wouldn't have. Easier and more enjoyable to whip someone to do it for you. Slaves escaping bondage is as much an American story as anything any Founding Father ever did. Yes, the FF wrote great treatises on freedom and equality and all that stuff, and the world needed it and benefits from it and the Revolution today. But admiring and teaching about other American heroes ain't political propaganda in the least bit.

But you and Madking do you.

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