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re: When SCOTUS declares college athletes "employees," will that fix the problem with CFB?
Posted on 2/11/24 at 1:21 pm to udtiger
Posted on 2/11/24 at 1:21 pm to udtiger
With most schools? They will convert scholarships and stipends into an hourly rate and it likely nets out… especially when accounting for tuition and out of state fees for expensive schools.
The Patriot League and Ivy League? They likely stop offering sports altogether because they don’t offer athletic scholarships.
The Patriot League and Ivy League? They likely stop offering sports altogether because they don’t offer athletic scholarships.
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Posted on 2/11/24 at 2:33 pm to udtiger
Almost could be considered independent contractors
Posted on 2/11/24 at 2:43 pm to udtiger
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When SCOTUS declares college athletes "employees," will that fix the problem with CFB?
You’ll see a shite load fewer new buildings, especially around athletics, you’ll also see a lot of sports completely go away.
If everyone is being paid a fair market wage, title IX needs to go away completely.
This post was edited on 2/11/24 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 2/11/24 at 2:47 pm to TigerintheNO
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problem is most universities do not turn a profit, before paying players.
But why is that? Is it because they are paying position coaches over $1M/yr, building new athletic dinning halls, workout facilities, training facilities, and shite all over campus?
LSU has more than 100,000 seats in its stadium. If $10 from every ticket sold went to pay players, that would be over $1M/game or over $8M/yr.
The average face value of a ticket for an LSU game is around $100 and that’s not including all the TAF and university fees that are added on.
Colleges and universities have repeatedly spent money on stupid shite to show losses or near losses every year to dampen the calls to pay players for the last 20+ years.
This post was edited on 2/11/24 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 2/11/24 at 2:57 pm to YNWA
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College football, as we knew it, is dead and that's because of the greed of universities and ESPN/FOX/CBS etc. It's dead and not coming back.
Especially once the SEC and Big Ten merge and break from the NCAA.
I've given up on college ball tbh.
Let's not act like the players, their families, and their handlers have nothing to do with the current climate.
The SEC and Big Ten aren't going anywhere until the courts get done with their various lawsuits regarding this topic.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 3:08 pm to udtiger
Nope, would create a whole new set of issues. If they unionize and multiples those issues.
I’m big on freedom, but at a certain point you just have to tell people no and stick to it.
I’m big on freedom, but at a certain point you just have to tell people no and stick to it.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 3:19 pm to GREENHEAD22
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Just start a fricking minor league already.
While a great idea it’s never going to happen. Universities make way too much money on CFB and CBB (to a lesser extent).
We’re stuck with a broken system but I’m confident things will evolve into some acceptable form for the fans, and fair for the players, in 5 to 10 years.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 3:20 pm to GREENHEAD22
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Just start a fricking minor league already. This while thing is a fricking joke, take college completely out the name. Division 2/3 is actual college football with actual students.
This.
As long as colleges are the feeder system for the nfl, it will be broken. College sports should be club teams…nfl needs to bite the bullet and create their own minor league
Posted on 2/11/24 at 3:35 pm to udtiger
CFB has been dead for 4 years people just haven’t realized it yet
Posted on 2/11/24 at 3:51 pm to udtiger
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The USC case moving through the federal court system and will almost certainly end up at SCOTUS, which could well conclude college athletes are employees. If that does happen, schools will be REQUIRED to pay their athletes (so frick the NCAA).
If that does happen, you'll likely see a lot of college sports shuttered (because Title IX will now be prohibitively expensive), but it will also mean that schools can sign employment contracts with student-athletes such that "commitments" will actually be "commitments." Also, non-competes will almost certainly be in those contracts, which would be conference directed.
Would this help solve some of the current problems?
Oh yeah I am going to love to see the reaction of LSU mens bball players making more than LSU women's bball players and so on.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 4:08 pm to udtiger
But how would that work? If the public universities are ran by the state then wouldn’t all athletes regardless of sport be paid the same?
Posted on 2/11/24 at 4:16 pm to udtiger
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When SCOTUS declares college athletes "employees," will that fix the problem with CFB?
The problem is fans and universities want world class athletes (no matter where they come from) who are legitimate students and have the loyalty and self-sacrifice of a G.I. running up Omaha Beach.
You’re not going to get that shite, people. Social media has changed the game. Johnny Heisman should be able to cash in on his fame and talent just like the hot sophomore who is a TikTok star. And if that gets abused, it sounds like a FAN problem. And players should be able to transfer. College exists to benefit the students and their interests.
If you don’t like the current incarnation of CFB, don’t watch it. But millions of people will (including you) and that’s the problem. Fans will still watch and pay NIL while condemning it all because winning has become too important.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 4:40 pm to Madking
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CFB has been dead for 4 years people just haven’t realized it yet
An LSU fan claiming college football has been dead for 4 years is kinda... convenient. Dontcha think?
This post was edited on 2/11/24 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 2/11/24 at 4:57 pm to udtiger
More issues will arise.
I really want to see how the court handles trans with college sports & Title IX. They have already legislated the redefinition of the term sex in the Title law affecting businesses (not only for trans but also means sexuality), and I don’t see how they cannot do it again without over turning a recent decision. The term had a long standing meaning in law and in the constitution with the 19th Amendment before that horrible decision.
If sex in the Title laws means it’s original definition of biological sex, trans, and sexuality what will be the dividing lines for fed money to the schools. It seems like one team for all is the easiest solution.
This reminds me that the NCAA had time to implement a much better NIL policy than just wave the white flag of surrender like they did.
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Title IX
I really want to see how the court handles trans with college sports & Title IX. They have already legislated the redefinition of the term sex in the Title law affecting businesses (not only for trans but also means sexuality), and I don’t see how they cannot do it again without over turning a recent decision. The term had a long standing meaning in law and in the constitution with the 19th Amendment before that horrible decision.
If sex in the Title laws means it’s original definition of biological sex, trans, and sexuality what will be the dividing lines for fed money to the schools. It seems like one team for all is the easiest solution.
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USC case moving through the federal court system and will almost certainly end up at SCOTUS
This reminds me that the NCAA had time to implement a much better NIL policy than just wave the white flag of surrender like they did.
This post was edited on 2/11/24 at 5:00 pm
Posted on 2/11/24 at 5:02 pm to SoFla Tideroller
This is just hilarious. Now that the top 15 teams can’t control their players for a full college career, the system is suddenly broken….. it’s gold hypocrisy. You don’t see the Duke’s, Wake’s, or Vandy’s whining because they’ve been getting hosed for decades. Now that they can buy players and take depth away from the top tier it’s a dead sport. Comical. Welcome to the world 85% of fanbases have been dealing with for years where the playing deck is stacked against you. I love it that signing day, which the top teams have gloated over for years and made fun of everyone else, is now just a suggestion.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 5:25 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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But why is that? Is it because they are paying position coaches over $1M/yr, building new athletic dinning halls, workout facilities, training facilities, and shite all over campus?
No, those programs turn a profit.
It’s all the other the sports. Last year women’s basketball national championships lost $5 million. Golf, swimming, tennis, track, volleyball, soccer,cross country, gymnastics cost a lot.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 5:31 pm to RunningJacket
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The sport has been dead for 85% of the schools for decades because they couldn’t compete with the schools that paid players ($100 handshakes, cars, women, etc). Now, that anyone can buy players the big boy fans scream “it’s dead”.
So 85% of schools couldn't compete because they didn't have the money of the top 15%, but now that schools can legally pay players it levels the playing field? What? If they couldn't afford to compete in the world of $100 handshakes how are these schools benefitting from top players getting six- and seven-figure deals?
Posted on 2/11/24 at 5:40 pm to Suntiger
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It’s a mess. College football players who want to get paid should go play in the XFL/USFL. NBA should be able to draft out of high school. And kids in college should be amateur athletes and if they get paid the penalty should be severe. That’s how you fix it.
This^ x the $ value of every existing NIL deal.
This would be a wake up call for these youngsters to realize that their actual NIL has no value when they are playing in front of High School crowds and businesses are not lining up to give them contracts because fans are loyal to the name on the front of the jersey not the back.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 5:50 pm to udtiger
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When SCOTUS declares college athletes "employees," will that fix the problem with CFB?
government involvement got us where we are. so lets add more government!!!!!
whoever first looked at how amazingly the Post Office (and other government run businesses) are run and said "hey! let's let them get involved in college football" need to be tarred, feathered, hanged, brought back to life, drowned, brought back to life, shot in both legs, then burned at the stake.
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