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When SCOTUS declares college athletes "employees," will that fix the problem with CFB?
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:06 am
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:06 am
The USC case moving through the federal court system and will almost certainly end up at SCOTUS, which could well conclude college athletes are employees. If that does happen, schools will be REQUIRED to pay their athletes (so frick the NCAA).
If that does happen, you'll likely see a lot of college sports shuttered (because Title IX will now be prohibitively expensive), but it will also mean that schools can sign employment contracts with student-athletes such that "commitments" will actually be "commitments." Also, non-competes will almost certainly be in those contracts, which would be conference directed.
Would this help solve some of the current problems?
If that does happen, you'll likely see a lot of college sports shuttered (because Title IX will now be prohibitively expensive), but it will also mean that schools can sign employment contracts with student-athletes such that "commitments" will actually be "commitments." Also, non-competes will almost certainly be in those contracts, which would be conference directed.
Would this help solve some of the current problems?
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:14 am to udtiger
Would create more issues. You’d end up with a CBA and it doesn’t keep outside brokers from paying NIL money. It would only make the schools have to pay salaries and benefits. Then you’d have the issue of women’s tennis players not making as much as a heisman winning QB. And what about the one and done MBB players?
It’s a mess. College football players who want to get paid should go play in the XFL/USFL. NBA should be able to draft out of high school. And kids in college should be amateur athletes and if they get paid the penalty should be severe. That’s how you fix it.
It’s a mess. College football players who want to get paid should go play in the XFL/USFL. NBA should be able to draft out of high school. And kids in college should be amateur athletes and if they get paid the penalty should be severe. That’s how you fix it.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:16 am to udtiger
Just start a fricking minor league already. This whole thing is a fricking joke, take college completely out the name.
Division 2/3 is actual college football with actual students.
Division 2/3 is actual college football with actual students.
This post was edited on 2/11/24 at 4:51 pm
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:20 am to udtiger
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The USC case moving through the federal court system and will almost certainly end up at SCOTUS, which could well conclude college athletes are employees.
Why would they conclude that? On what basis do they consider themselves employees vs other scholarship students? I don't know the particulars of the case so there may be something there I am not aware of.
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If that does happen, you'll likely see a lot of college sports shuttered (because Title IX will now be prohibitively expensive)
Would title IX apply to employees?
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schools can sign employment contracts with student-athletes such that "commitments" will actually be "commitments."
A simple employment contract doesn't prohibit you from changing jobs.
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Also, non-competes will almost certainly be in those contracts, which would be conference directed.
I doubt that would happen much and not having them will make some schools more attractive. California, Colorado, Oklahoma, North Dakota, and Minnesota have fully banned non-compete clauses so if schools start to do that it will be a significant boost to USC and OU in recruiting players who don't want those restrictions.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:22 am to udtiger
Cant shutter too many programs since you’re required have at least 14, problem is most universities do not turn a profit, before paying players. Student fees will go up, some schools will shut down athletics completely.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:26 am to udtiger
So if athletes are made employees, they're no longer STUDENT athletes playing sport in exchange for scholarship. Will they even be required to go to classes anymore?
Further if they're now employees playing for compensation rather than in exchange for scholarship, wouldn't covering tuition be a taxable benefit capped at the $5,250 like any other tuition reimbursement? Seems like the greed in football is going to screw other athletes who actually are playing to cover tuition.
Further if they're now employees playing for compensation rather than in exchange for scholarship, wouldn't covering tuition be a taxable benefit capped at the $5,250 like any other tuition reimbursement? Seems like the greed in football is going to screw other athletes who actually are playing to cover tuition.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:26 am to udtiger
College football, as we knew it, is dead and that's because of the greed of universities and ESPN/FOX/CBS etc. It's dead and not coming back.
Especially once the SEC and Big Ten merge and break from the NCAA.
I've given up on college ball tbh.
Especially once the SEC and Big Ten merge and break from the NCAA.
I've given up on college ball tbh.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:35 am to udtiger
That will depend on what Big College Football does with that ruling. If they introduce CBAs with contracts tying athletes to schools, eliminating the transfer portal as well as the need for NIL collectives, I think it will go a long way to fixing some of the chaos that has resulted from recent SCOTUS rulings.
One thing is for sure, however, the NCAA is not going to lead the reform. The conferences are going to have to get together and figure this shite out.
One thing is for sure, however, the NCAA is not going to lead the reform. The conferences are going to have to get together and figure this shite out.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:38 am to mdomingue
quote:Then how do pro teams in those states keep players from just saying “frick my contract” and leaving for another team? NCAA will have to enforce players fulfilling their contracts.
I doubt that would happen much and not having them will make some schools more attractive. California, Colorado, Oklahoma, North Dakota, and Minnesota have fully banned non-compete clauses so if schools start to do that it will be a significant boost to USC and OU in recruiting players who don't want those restrictions.
This is going to be such a shite show. Highly rated recruits out of high school are going to want big money, but schools are going to want multi-year binding contracts for recruits that want that kind of money. Not likely they’d be major contributors as freshmen, so they need to be signed for 3 years to make it worth the school ponying up big bucks.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:43 am to udtiger
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When SCOTUS declares college athletes "employees," will that fix the problem with CFB?
Nope.
And frankly, SCOTUS fricked up the first time it made a decision on the matter.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:43 am to udtiger
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Would this help solve some of the current problems?
No. It’ll lead to more fan apathy and less interest and lower attendance.
Those things may be inevitable anyway.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:47 am to YNWA
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College football, as we knew it, is dead
Yeah. That’s never coming back. It’s been ruined
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:53 am to udtiger
It’s beyond any legislation or law because CFB obsession is so engrave in our culture. When people stop giving too much a shite over it, it will change. But that won’t happen because you’re asking people to stop being people.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 11:11 am to PeteRose
Schools will just start cutting their athletic programs. Only the top tier schools actually make money as it is. This would multiply the money issues.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 11:22 am to udtiger
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Would this help solve some of the current problems?
That depends on what side of Title IX you fall on. Because if this happens, most universities will stop subsidizing sports who come in at a loss. Title IX protections would immediately be gone.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 11:26 am to udtiger
Sign them to 4 year contracts that only pay out if they stay on the team for the entire duration and graduate from the university. Want to transfer every year? That's fine, but you aren't getting paid a dime. Go chase your roster spot and NFL contract.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 11:38 am to udtiger
No - the big problem is that some players are walk ons and some schools don't do athletic scholarships. That makes it hard to apply the same standard across the board.
If I'm at LSU on a football scholarship, then I have to play football to keep my scholarship. Quit the team and I have to start paying tuition.
But if I'm TOPS and walk on to the team, I can quit the team and still have TOPS. It was purely an extracurricular activity.
You also have Division III where there are no scholarships, so you can leave the team at any point with no financial consequences.
Or you could have a kid from Palo Alto with a low enough family income to qualify for a tuition waiver. Kid got in based on being a good athlete but they classified him as a need based waiver so they wouldn't have to burn a scholly. He quits the team but they have to let him stay.
It'll still be a cluster.
NCAA might have to drop the 6/8 rule because the 12 non revenue sports will become actual money going out the door, as opposed to an opportunity cost (not collecting tuition).
If I'm at LSU on a football scholarship, then I have to play football to keep my scholarship. Quit the team and I have to start paying tuition.
But if I'm TOPS and walk on to the team, I can quit the team and still have TOPS. It was purely an extracurricular activity.
You also have Division III where there are no scholarships, so you can leave the team at any point with no financial consequences.
Or you could have a kid from Palo Alto with a low enough family income to qualify for a tuition waiver. Kid got in based on being a good athlete but they classified him as a need based waiver so they wouldn't have to burn a scholly. He quits the team but they have to let him stay.
It'll still be a cluster.
NCAA might have to drop the 6/8 rule because the 12 non revenue sports will become actual money going out the door, as opposed to an opportunity cost (not collecting tuition).
Posted on 2/11/24 at 12:42 pm to blackandgolddude
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Sign them to 4 year contracts that only pay out if they stay on the team for the entire duration and graduate from the university. Want to transfer every year? That's fine, but you aren't getting paid a dime. Go chase your roster spot and NFL contract.
Won’t happen. The kids will have a CBA and hold a large amount of leverage.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 1:03 pm to Lsuhoohoo
If they are employees do they still have 5 years to play 4 or can they play for as long as they want? If you are an employee I’m not sure how you can say “you can only work here for 5 years”
Posted on 2/11/24 at 1:14 pm to unotiger21
College football has been professional wrestling for 100 years. The sport has always been uneven because coaches were willing to break rules to get good players to sign with them. The hypocrisy that “now the sport is dead” is just hilarious. The sport has been dead for 85% of the schools for decades because they couldn’t compete with the schools that paid players ($100 handshakes, cars, women, etc). Now, that anyone can buy players the big boy fans scream “it’s dead”. Just hilarious, Where were you guys screaming that when UGA bought Herschel or Auburn bought Cam or ND buying OLinemen. It’s been happening for decades and I think it’s great that any team can now do want the consistent top 15 have been doing for 100 years.
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