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re: The question no longer remains is he the greatest QB of all-time
Posted on 2/6/17 at 2:03 pm to AwesomeSauce
Posted on 2/6/17 at 2:03 pm to AwesomeSauce
The Bradshaw meme unintentionally points out one of Brady's best arguments: he was rarely surrounded with elite talent. The Steelers had a defense that is almost entirely in the HOF, plus he threw the ball to two HOF receivers, had a HOF running back, and took snaps from a HOF center. OK, Brady had Moss for a season, but other than that, he won 4 MVP's and had some of the best numbers in NFL history surrounded by a bunch of guys who will not be in Canton unless they buy a ticket.
Otto Graham still has the highest yards/attempt, which is the best one statistic measurement of QB's, but that's a pretty thin case. Brady will almost certainly be the greatest QB of all time because he is the best OLD QB of all-time. He had a great decline phase. I'd still take Dan Marino at his peak, but full career, its gotta be Brady.
But best player? Please. It's Jerry Rice.
Otto Graham still has the highest yards/attempt, which is the best one statistic measurement of QB's, but that's a pretty thin case. Brady will almost certainly be the greatest QB of all time because he is the best OLD QB of all-time. He had a great decline phase. I'd still take Dan Marino at his peak, but full career, its gotta be Brady.
But best player? Please. It's Jerry Rice.
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Posted on 2/6/17 at 2:03 pm to lsupride87
Even Osi Umenyiora was convinced after last night
Says it's all
tGOAT
Says it's all
tGOAT
Posted on 2/6/17 at 2:04 pm to Korin
quote:
Admitted that him and his teammates used steroids...
Relevancy to the statement that I was providing a rebuttal to?
I was responding to a posters assertion that no one would have won 2 super bowls as the QB and OC other than Peyton Manning. It was so hard that a dumb redneck (per this site on TB and anywhere north of I-10) was able to do it 4 times.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 2:06 pm to lsupride87
quote:
So playing bad first round and relying on your d is cool, but doing it in the super bowl isnt?
What? Manning threw 2 TDs in last years playoffs, total.
Brady threw 7 this year.
The point we are discussing is relying on your defense, no? You can cherry pick an individual game all you want, but I'm sticking to what I believed to be the original argument. Manning won due to defense and despite borderline bad QB play in the SB (and the playoffs, since you want to add that in) and Brady won due to defense and an unreal 4th quarter in the SB (which is the point. He played lights out in a moment that was much larger than the 1st round of the playoffs)
This post was edited on 2/6/17 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 2/6/17 at 2:07 pm to cas4t
quote:It is funny how I am the one being accused of cherry picking....
What? Manning threw 2 TDs in last years playoffs, total.
Brady threw 7 this year.
The point we are discussing is relying on your defense, no? You can cherry pick an individual game all you want, but I'm sticking to what I believed to be the original argument. Manning won due to defense and despite borderline bad QB play in the SB (and the playoffs, since you want to add that in) and Brady won due to defense and an unreal 4th quarter in the SB (which is the point. He played lights out in a moment that was much large than the 1st round of the playoffs)
Posted on 2/6/17 at 2:08 pm to AwesomeSauce
There is this guy who went to 10 straight league championship games that probably needs to be mentioned yet never does. They won 7 of those games by the way.
This guy also won 3 league MVP's
Averaged 10.5 per play and had 112.1 in post season
This guy also won 3 league MVP's
Averaged 10.5 per play and had 112.1 in post season
This post was edited on 2/6/17 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 2/6/17 at 2:08 pm to lsupride87
quote:
It is funny how I am the one being accused of cherry picking....
Pardon me for cherry picking SUPER BOWL performances while you are attempting to use a 1st round playoff game in your argument
Posted on 2/6/17 at 2:13 pm to cas4t
quote:My argument contains 200+ games
Pardon me for cherry picking SUPER BOWL performances while you are attempting to use a 1st round playoff game in your argument
This post was edited on 2/6/17 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 2/6/17 at 2:15 pm to AwesomeSauce
quote:
Relevancy to the statement that I was providing a rebuttal to?
I was responding to a posters assertion that no one would have won 2 super bowls as the QB and OC other than Peyton Manning. It was so hard that a dumb redneck (per this site on TB and anywhere north of I-10) was able to do it 4 times.
You're the one who brought up cheating. Can't have it both ways.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 2:40 pm to RollTide1987
Jerry Rice
Posted on 2/6/17 at 2:51 pm to lsupride87
quote:
My argument contains 200+ games
what exactly is your argument then? That Manning > Brady because Brady always had better defenses? I didn't read the entire thread.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 2:52 pm to cas4t
My argument is I don't really know
Posted on 2/6/17 at 2:54 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 2/6/17 at 3:04 pm to Korin
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You're the one who brought up cheating. Can't have it both ways.
Steroids weren't against official NFL policy until 1987, so to be technical it wasn't cheating. Spygate and deflategate were alleged instances that were directly prohibited by NFL policy and rules.
I didn't read the meme other than the part about calling his own plays, but to prescribe that retroactively enforcing a rule constitutes cheating is a bit of a stretch.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 3:40 pm to RollTide1987
Montana is the greatest qb of alltime.
This post was edited on 2/6/17 at 6:15 pm
Posted on 2/6/17 at 4:10 pm to PortCityTiger24
Great career, great player, but not the GOAT. Hell, he's not even the GOAT at QB.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 4:59 pm to Baloo
Yes Jerry Rice is the best football player of all time.... Brady has shown me that he has done so well with less than other QB's mentioned. He'll put stats aside and Elway led the Broncos to 5 SB's , 3 of them basically on his own... manning and Montana had much more talent around them than both Brady and Elway....
Posted on 2/6/17 at 5:04 pm to dukke v
Montana had 2 hall of fame players Brady has had more. (Moss, law, Revis gronkowski McGinnis) I could be missing someone. Seymore and Harrison could also end up being hall of famers too they def deserve to be. All Montana had was Rice and Lott.
This post was edited on 2/6/17 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 2/6/17 at 5:05 pm to RollTide1987
He benefits from having the greatest coach and system to ever, still great but not quite sure the greatest.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 6:00 pm to RollTide1987
Unitas. Period.
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