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Posted on 3/27/19 at 9:56 am to lsutigers1992
You mean like play run defense and make tackles? Yea that's illustrated in those stats as well. Look at a HOF DT like Kyle Williams stats compared to Ngata's. I'm just trying to point out how terribly overrated Ngata was, while how terribly underrated Williams was because of his sub-par rookie season.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 10:15 am to Diesel88
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You mean like play run defense and make tackles? Yea that's illustrated in those stats as well.
Ask Ray Lewis why he still played at an All Pro level in his late 30s.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 10:18 am to thekid
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2003 draft must have sucked if we can’t do better than Carson Palmer #1
The re-drafted #1 in that draft went undrafted in real life. He still plays TE for the Chargers.
I would also take Polamalu, Suggs, Witten and Anquan Boldin over Palmer. Every day and twice on Sunday.
This post was edited on 3/27/19 at 11:29 am
Posted on 3/27/19 at 10:31 am to Diesel88
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You mean like play run defense and make tackles? Yea that's illustrated in those stats as well. Look at a HOF DT like Kyle Williams stats compared to Ngata's. I'm just trying to point out how terribly overrated Ngata was, while how terribly underrated Williams was because of his sub-par rookie season.
He was a nose tackle in a 3-4. Please stop referencing tackle stats like you know what you are talking about.
This post was edited on 3/27/19 at 10:56 am
Posted on 3/27/19 at 1:57 pm to RollTide1987
Extending a bit:
1994
Original #1: Dan Wilkinson
New #1: Marshall Faulk
1993
Original #1: Drew Bledsoe
New #1: Willie Roaf
1992 (WORST DRAFT EVER)
Original #1: Steve Emtman
New #1: Darren Woodson
1991
Original #1: Russell Maryland
New #1: Ricky Watters
1990
Original #1: Jeff George
New #1: Emmitt Smith
1989
Original #1: Troy Aikman
New #1: Deion or Barry Sanders
1988
Original #1: Aundray Bruce
New #1: Thurman Thomas
1987
Original #1: Vinny Testaverde
New #1: Rod Woodson
1986
Original #1: Bo Jackson
New #1: Charles Haley
1985
Original #1: Bruce Smith
New #1: Jerry Rice
1984
Original #1: Irving Fryar
New #1: Boomer Esiason
1983
Original #1: John Elway
New #1 John Elway (apologies to Dan Marino)
1982
Original #1: Kenneth Sims
New #1: Marcus Allen
1981
Original #1: George Rogers
New #1: Lawrence Taylor
1980
Original #1: Billy Sims
New #1: Anthony Munoz
1979
Original #1: Tom Cousineau
New #1: Joe Montana
1978
Original #1: Earl Campbell
New #1: Warren Moon (completely undrafted)
1977
Original #1: Ricky Bell
New #1: Tony Dorsett
1976
Original #1: Lee Roy Selmon
New #1: Steve Largent
1975
Original #1: Steve Bartkowski
New #1: Walter Payton
1974
Original #1: Ed Jones
New #1: Jack Lambert
1973
Original #1: John Matuszak
New #1: John Hannah
1972
Original #1: Walt Patulski
New #1: Franco Harris
1971
Original #1: Jim Plunkett
New #1: Jack Ham
1970
Original #1: Terry Bradshaw
New #1: Mel Blount
1969
Original #1: O.J. Simpson
New #1: Joe Greene (that's a tough one)
1968
Original #1: Ron Yary
New #1: Ron Yary
1967
Original #1: Bubba Smith
New #1: Alan Page
1994
Original #1: Dan Wilkinson
New #1: Marshall Faulk
1993
Original #1: Drew Bledsoe
New #1: Willie Roaf
1992 (WORST DRAFT EVER)
Original #1: Steve Emtman
New #1: Darren Woodson
1991
Original #1: Russell Maryland
New #1: Ricky Watters
1990
Original #1: Jeff George
New #1: Emmitt Smith
1989
Original #1: Troy Aikman
New #1: Deion or Barry Sanders
1988
Original #1: Aundray Bruce
New #1: Thurman Thomas
1987
Original #1: Vinny Testaverde
New #1: Rod Woodson
1986
Original #1: Bo Jackson
New #1: Charles Haley
1985
Original #1: Bruce Smith
New #1: Jerry Rice
1984
Original #1: Irving Fryar
New #1: Boomer Esiason
1983
Original #1: John Elway
New #1 John Elway (apologies to Dan Marino)
1982
Original #1: Kenneth Sims
New #1: Marcus Allen
1981
Original #1: George Rogers
New #1: Lawrence Taylor
1980
Original #1: Billy Sims
New #1: Anthony Munoz
1979
Original #1: Tom Cousineau
New #1: Joe Montana
1978
Original #1: Earl Campbell
New #1: Warren Moon (completely undrafted)
1977
Original #1: Ricky Bell
New #1: Tony Dorsett
1976
Original #1: Lee Roy Selmon
New #1: Steve Largent
1975
Original #1: Steve Bartkowski
New #1: Walter Payton
1974
Original #1: Ed Jones
New #1: Jack Lambert
1973
Original #1: John Matuszak
New #1: John Hannah
1972
Original #1: Walt Patulski
New #1: Franco Harris
1971
Original #1: Jim Plunkett
New #1: Jack Ham
1970
Original #1: Terry Bradshaw
New #1: Mel Blount
1969
Original #1: O.J. Simpson
New #1: Joe Greene (that's a tough one)
1968
Original #1: Ron Yary
New #1: Ron Yary
1967
Original #1: Bubba Smith
New #1: Alan Page
This post was edited on 3/27/19 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 3/27/19 at 2:14 pm to bbrownso
quote:
Russell Okung
Wut? You mean the guy whose team declined to resign him on 2 different occasions and has only made 2 Pro Bowls?
Over a guy that's been to 7 Pro Bowls and has made All Pro 4 times.
AB will be a first ballot HOF
Posted on 3/27/19 at 2:23 pm to Diesel88
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Ngata's best year was 2010, in which he had 46 tackles and 5.5 sacks. Williams' best year - 2007 - 43 tackles 14 sacks. Williams had double digit sacks in 5 seasons, with two different teams. Also seasons with 9 and 8.5 sacks
Are you implying that Williams was a better player than Ngata? Ngata was the most dominant DT in the league for a solid 7 yr stretch and maybe even longer. There are 10 Mario Williams in the league at any given time. They are asked to do two different things. The fact that Ngata even has that many sacks in lagniappe when you factor that is value isnt drawn from pressuring the QB. Ngata forced teams to change their gameplan
Posted on 3/27/19 at 2:27 pm to TheGasMan
Are you a panthers fan?
Posted on 3/27/19 at 2:29 pm to lsutigers1992
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Ask Ray Lewis why he still played at an All Pro level in his late 30s.
Because he killed a guy and stole his life force to remain young?
Posted on 3/27/19 at 2:30 pm to RollTide1987
quote:
2016
Original #1: Jared Goff
New #1: Carson Wentz
Eh, I think Goff is ascending. I take him based on trajectory.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 2:41 pm to RollTide1987
1995: Derrick Brooks
1997: Jason Taylor
1997: Jason Taylor
Posted on 3/27/19 at 2:52 pm to RollTide1987
You should put when your new #1 was actually drafted.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 2:56 pm to RollTide1987
For 2014 I’d put Donald over Mack
Posted on 3/27/19 at 3:52 pm to RollTide1987
Goff over wentz
Posted on 3/27/19 at 4:31 pm to gobuxgo5
quote:
2004 Original #1: Eli Manning New #1: Ben Roethlisberger
Horse poop
Posted on 3/27/19 at 10:41 pm to RollTide1987
quote:
2009
Original #1: Matthew Stafford
New #1: LeSean McCoy
Posted on 3/27/19 at 11:44 pm to lsutigers1992
quote:
1969
Original #1: O.J. Simpson
New #1: Joe Greene (that's a tough one)
Dude c'mon man. Joe Greene is the heart of the Steel Curtain...but most teams had great defenses and everything was about how to produce offense during the rules of that time...
The lowest scoring era...the football equivalent of the Dead Ball Era.
Running was still kind due to the pass rules and every team would take the best running back of the 70's.
Posted on 3/28/19 at 12:52 am to lsutigers1992
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quote:
2003 draft must have sucked if we can’t do better than Carson Palmer #1
The re-drafted #1 in that draft went undrafted in real life. He still plays TE for the Chargers.
I would also take Polamalu, Suggs, Witten and Anquan Boldin over Palmer. Every day and twice on Sunday.
Terrell Suggs would be my #1.
As for Gates, he could easily be #1 too but I think a DE/rush LB is more valuable than a TE.
Polamalu- Im not taking a safety #1.
Posted on 3/28/19 at 1:50 am to JBeam
quote:bullshite. Seahawks would be more successful if Luck was their qb and Colts would be worse if Wilson was their qb.
I know Luck has made a massive comeback and was doing a lot with less before his injury. But shouldn't Russell Wilson be #1 from 2012?
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