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re: Take the roid argument out- Did Mark McGwire put up HOF #’s?
Posted on 3/14/23 at 7:56 pm to Honest Tune
Posted on 3/14/23 at 7:56 pm to Honest Tune
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The guys that put baseball on their shoulders and carried the game. Pitchers were juicing too.
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Posted on 3/14/23 at 8:03 pm to DJ3K
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This is stupid. You cant take away the roid argument but leave him with the roid numbers/statistics
If the roid argument is out then 25% of his hits and HRs need to go. And 25% is being generous. He is not a HOF
The roid argument for exclusion is dumb. Who gives a shite what he took to make himself better? Isn't that what fans want? Athletes performing at their peak? The same thing with taking away wins for NCAA rules violations. Some fricking kid getting a free sandwich or a tattoo didn't change the result of the game. Just like McGwire still hit those home run bombs. The people who bitch about PEDs always come across to me as pencil neck pussies who are just jealous that these athletes are doing shite that they can only dream about doing.
Posted on 3/14/23 at 8:05 pm to Saint Alfonzo
This is where I am with it.
Posted on 3/14/23 at 8:07 pm to tucoco
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If McGwire gets in, then it's a green light for Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, and everyone else!
Damn right
Posted on 3/14/23 at 8:33 pm to chalmetteowl
David Ortiz is in, anyone else kept out because of “steroids” is bullshite.
This post was edited on 3/14/23 at 8:35 pm
Posted on 3/14/23 at 8:37 pm to Madking
Jeff Bagwell is in, anyone else kept out because of “steroids” is because of bias.
Posted on 3/14/23 at 8:41 pm to Honest Tune
Kingman & McGwire interesting stat comparison-
hits 1575 vs 1626
steals 85 vs 12
Walks 608 vs 1317
hits 1575 vs 1626
steals 85 vs 12
Walks 608 vs 1317
Posted on 3/14/23 at 8:53 pm to Saint Alfonzo
Sportswriters are the worst. 265# freaks running 4.6 for the 40 in the NFL and not one of them utters a peep. You let one Dominican shortstop piss hot and, all of the sudden, it's some huge indictment on baseball.
Posted on 3/14/23 at 9:03 pm to tucoco
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If McGwire gets in, then it's a green light for Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, and everyone else!
As it should be.
Posted on 3/14/23 at 9:03 pm to Honest Tune
Mark McGwire hit 49 hrs all natural his rookie year. 30 plus homeruns the next 2 seasons all natural. Didn't start using consistently until 93
This post was edited on 3/14/23 at 9:05 pm
Posted on 3/14/23 at 9:05 pm to Strannix
if he was the only roid user back then, no. But, the reality is the most of the players back then were on something or another, so, he should go based on his performance.
Posted on 3/14/23 at 9:08 pm to DJ3K
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This is stupid. You cant take away the roid argument but leave him with the roid numbers/statistics
If the roid argument is out then 25% of his hits and HRs need to go. And 25% is being generous. He is not a HOF
Actually, should sound like the stupid one if you can’t understand what he’s saying.
Those IQ test online aren’t real bro
Posted on 3/14/23 at 9:29 pm to FreddieMac
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the reality is the most of the players back then were on somethingA
The guys before them did a toot of blow for pick me up, the guys before them ate amphetamines like tic tacs and the guys before them pounded caffeine. Writers are sanctimonious duchebags. Clemons was shot after Boston, so he could go home or take a shot for 11 more years and 100 million bucks. Give me the shot and frick your hall of fame.
Posted on 3/14/23 at 9:41 pm to Honest Tune
Him and Sammy Sosa saved baseball.
Not only should they be in the HOF...it's should be named The McGwire Sosa MLB Hall of Fame...across the street from the Pete Rose Truck Stop
Not only should they be in the HOF...it's should be named The McGwire Sosa MLB Hall of Fame...across the street from the Pete Rose Truck Stop
Posted on 3/14/23 at 9:42 pm to Honest Tune
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someone is arguing me that McGwire was basically Dave Kingman
Dumb argument esp considering McGwire and Kingman were contemporaries. Their numbers can be compared lol
Posted on 3/14/23 at 9:55 pm to JodyPlauche
I suspect Rose will get in someday. When he's not alive to enjoy it.
Posted on 3/14/23 at 10:37 pm to tucoco
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If McGwire gets in, then it's a green light for Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, and everyone else!
Bonds in particular should get in. Per sources, and looking at the numbers, he started juicing only when McGuire and Sosa started obviously getting away with it (Sosa in particular, he had some pop but wasn't an upper echelon type slugger until he somehow belted out 66 homers).
Posted on 3/14/23 at 10:38 pm to RemouladeSawce
he had plantar fasciitis at Oakland. he looked done very young. my guess he used something in st Louis to heal his foot that had side benefits.
Posted on 3/14/23 at 10:47 pm to BRIllini07
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Bonds in particular should get in. Per sources, and looking at the numbers, he started juicing only when McGuire and Sosa started obviously getting away with it (Sosa in particular, he had some pop but wasn't an upper echelon type slugger until he somehow belted out 66 homers).
I actually caught a game at Wrigley in May of 98, Cubs vs Giants.
Bonds looked normal in left field, my seats were in left field bleachers.
Sosa running out to right field looked enormous, like Bo Jackson running out there… and just a couple weeks later the month of June came along and he hit 20+ homers that month.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 1:23 am to WaterLink
quote:Well, that's why I made that statement because I feel like they all should get in if McGwire gets in. I think y'all misunderstood my statement in thinking that I was against Bonds, Sosa, Clemens and others getting in. Hell, noo, I'm for them all getting in and they should have been a long time ago. Hell, Pete Rose should have been in a loong time ago. These sport writer geeks wanna punish these great ball players for off the field transgressions when there's more to it than that. They just wanna play judge and jury with these great ball players probably out of jealousy like some people have said, that they weren't born with these great athletic abilities. Lol But peds to me just gives these athletes an edge to stay in better shape longer, not be injured as much, to endure the rigors of the game that a normal human body could not do. It doesn't give you the skill to hit homers or throw fastballs over a 100 miles an hour like these great players were doing before they started taking the peds.
As it should be.
This post was edited on 3/15/23 at 1:27 am
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