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Take the roid argument out- Did Mark McGwire put up HOF #’s?

Posted on 3/14/23 at 6:35 pm
Posted by Honest Tune
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 3/14/23 at 6:35 pm
Strictly numbers… someone is arguing me that McGwire was basically Dave Kingman and doesn’t deserve to be in the HOF… this is absurd to me.

I say he’s no doubt a hall of fame player based on his career statistics.

What say the MSB?
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 3/14/23 at 6:39 pm to
quote:

someone is arguing me that McGwire was basically Dave Kingman and doesn’t deserve to be in the HOF

Strictly on numbers, your buddy is dumb
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/14/23 at 6:40 pm to
yes
Posted by Honest Tune
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2011
15484 posts
Posted on 3/14/23 at 6:41 pm to
Not a buddy. Online argument.
Posted by Strannix
District 11
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Posted on 3/14/23 at 6:41 pm to
Easy
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/14/23 at 6:42 pm to
Roids
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 3/14/23 at 6:55 pm to
quote:

Strictly numbers… someone is arguing me that McGwire was basically Dave Kingman and doesn’t deserve to be in the HOF

If he truly believes that than he's a dumbass.

And to answer your question, yes, Big Red is a HoF'er
This post was edited on 3/14/23 at 6:56 pm
Posted by Honest Tune
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2011
15484 posts
Posted on 3/14/23 at 6:58 pm to
Definitely. That’s not the argument though. Strictly stats.
Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 3/14/23 at 7:04 pm to
Mark McGwire was the most prodigious home run hitter of all time. He hit 583 home runs, good for 11th all time. But he only had 1626 hits in his career. 35% of his hits were home runs. He averaged 50 dingers over a 162 game average.

Whoever is arguing with you is an idiot.
Posted by Honest Tune
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2011
15484 posts
Posted on 3/14/23 at 7:07 pm to
I told them they were exactly that. Saw him play with my own two eyes and he blasted a homer. Looked like a HOFer to me.
Posted by thegambler
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/14/23 at 7:15 pm to
Roids or not he, sosa, bonds, clemens and many others saved baseball.
Posted by DJ3K
Member since Dec 2011
6725 posts
Posted on 3/14/23 at 7:17 pm to
This is stupid. You cant take away the roid argument but leave him with the roid numbers/statistics

If the roid argument is out then 25% of his hits and HRs need to go. And 25% is being generous. He is not a HOF


Posted by Honest Tune
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 3/14/23 at 7:19 pm to
Just use some willing suspension of disbelief and say roids were allowed if not promoted (shouldn’t be that hard to do)… his home run numbers put him in.
Posted by tucoco
Las Vegas
Member since Mar 2021
6308 posts
Posted on 3/14/23 at 7:30 pm to
If McGwire gets in, then it's a green light for Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, and everyone else!
Posted by Honest Tune
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2011
15484 posts
Posted on 3/14/23 at 7:32 pm to
The guys that put baseball on their shoulders and carried the game. Pitchers were juicing too.
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
42199 posts
Posted on 3/14/23 at 7:34 pm to
Why not just add a cheaters gamblers wing
Rose Bonds Clemens Sosa McGwire arod big papi
Explain what happened and note their accomplishments in that era
Their are tainted players in the hall now
Posted by tucoco
Las Vegas
Member since Mar 2021
6308 posts
Posted on 3/14/23 at 7:34 pm to
yep, Clemens and other pitchers.
Posted by RemouladeSawce
Uranus
Member since Sep 2008
13894 posts
Posted on 3/14/23 at 7:49 pm to
1874 games / 162 = only 11.5 seasons worth of play. Was basically done at 35 due to injuries. It can be argued that steroids could have hurt his career numbers more than helped

If you look at his pictures from 1987 (his rookie year) steroids don’t come to mind. He hit a rookie record 49 HRs that year (and said he started taking roids later)

If you adjust the more meh career / longevity numbers for injuries I don’t think there’s any statistical question he belongs, and like Bonds there’s enough proof of hitting excellence before he clearly started taking them that I don’t see how you can argue he isn’t one of the best ever
This post was edited on 3/15/23 at 12:12 am
Posted by Honest Tune
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2011
15484 posts
Posted on 3/14/23 at 7:51 pm to
Fantastic assessment.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
47547 posts
Posted on 3/14/23 at 7:52 pm to
Sure you can unless you’re a bot brained simpleton who lets media control your thoughts and opinions. Actual people realize that the steroid era was a lot longer than we’re led to believe and that most of these guys like McGwire were retroactively punished for things they did before the MLBs policies were introduced.
This post was edited on 3/14/23 at 7:52 pm
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