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re: Start your team: AD or Lillard
Posted on 6/17/16 at 9:24 am to Lester Earl
Posted on 6/17/16 at 9:24 am to Lester Earl
Davis has gone 24/10 w nearly 3 blocks in b2b seasons as a 21 and 22 year old.. 32/11/3 in the playoffs at age 21 vs the champs
Lillard turns 26 in a month. Shows out in regular season play but doesn't match the same out put in the playoffs.. I need him to do more
Lillard turns 26 in a month. Shows out in regular season play but doesn't match the same out put in the playoffs.. I need him to do more
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Posted on 6/17/16 at 9:27 am to htran90
Me personally, I would take AD in a heartbeat. Maybe that is because im slightly biased.
But DLill is a solid player and wil have a tremendous career ahead of him.
I just believe that AD is the better player and will be able to affect the game more.
But DLill is a solid player and wil have a tremendous career ahead of him.
I just believe that AD is the better player and will be able to affect the game more.
Posted on 6/17/16 at 10:09 am to rlebl39
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Start your team: AD or Lillard by rlebl39
It's really not that outrageous to pick Lillard over AD at this point. AD is more talented, arguably the most gifted player in the league, but you can't just ignore his health issues.
Lillard is really freaking good and plays with a ton of heart.
If you were picking on pure talent then obviously AD would get the nod. So far his career has been a little disappointing though with his health and the fact that his team sucks.
Agreed. There was a heated debate at the end of last season as to who was the new face of the league. It was AD vs Steph.
Fast forward a year and there literally has been no AD threads on the msb besides this one, while good or bad, Steph has a new thread daily.
I know it's due to injury, and possibly obscurity playing for the pels, but AD dropped off the planet this season.
Posted on 6/17/16 at 10:15 am to htran90
I'm gonna pass on the Davis because he is too injury prone.
Posted on 6/17/16 at 10:16 am to htran90
Lillard only because AD gets hurt to much
Posted on 6/17/16 at 10:42 am to 632627
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AD dropped off the planet this season.
And yet his stats were great. Similar to last year, just not as efficient.
It had to do with the Pelicans being an abortion.
Posted on 6/17/16 at 11:09 am to Fun Bunch
While I think AD is a far superior talent (to Love) Kevin love also put up great stats for a bad team.
There's probably a little of that going on with AD.
There's probably a little of that going on with AD.
Posted on 6/17/16 at 11:16 am to 632627
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While I think AD is a far superior talent (to Love) Kevin love also put up great stats for a bad team.
There's probably a little of that going on with AD.
No, theres not. Love was always a garbage defender and needs a certain type of system to be effective.
Davis is the type of player that is growing in a way where he will be effective on any team or almost any system. You want him to play on a Lebron style ISO team as a jump shooter, defender and offensive rebounder? Davis has you in stride.
You want to run an up tempo offense like GS? Davis can be one of your best small ball 5's and the ultimate garbage man and team efficiency riser like he was in Kentucky.
About the only place he needs to really improve is in the post and passing. But I think the latter is more a product of how his teammates and his team have played. In short bursts you can see he has good vision and passing ability.
This post was edited on 6/17/16 at 11:18 am
Posted on 6/17/16 at 11:18 am to 632627
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There's probably a little of that going on with AD.
You really haven't seen him play much, obviously. For the most part, he's ultra efficient. He really doesn't have the ball in his hands that much, so he's not a chucker or stat-padder. He does a lot of different things well and is super versatile.
He's a great player. He's on a bad team with a shitty coach. It is what it is. He would be great on any team.
Posted on 6/17/16 at 11:35 am to htran90
Give me the guy that's reliable to play 99% of the season and at least make it into the second round of the playoffs (2/3 times he's made it that far). Plus, he's one of the more likable and marketable players in the league.
Posted on 6/17/16 at 11:44 am to theducks
I get the argument for durability, but once you get past that, there shouldn't be debate. I don't even know how someone could try to argue the "done more with less" take.
Posted on 6/17/16 at 11:58 am to ShamelessPel
I can understand either, but this whole he only puts up good numbers because he's on a bad team like Kevin love is retarded.
He put up near identical numbers in back to back years (his efficiency was the only thing that decreased when he took more 3s), one of which his team made the playoffs.
The team around him became extremely brittle and lost 4 of their top 5 players for an extended time. One of which never even stepped on the court.
He put up near identical numbers in back to back years (his efficiency was the only thing that decreased when he took more 3s), one of which his team made the playoffs.
The team around him became extremely brittle and lost 4 of their top 5 players for an extended time. One of which never even stepped on the court.
Posted on 6/17/16 at 11:58 am to theducks
Injuries aside, who do you think is the better and more gifted player?
Posted on 6/17/16 at 11:59 am to theducks
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Give me the guy that's reliable to play 99% of the season and at least make it into the second round of the playoffs (2/3 times he's made it that far). Plus, he's one of the more likable and marketable players in the league.
LOL. People act like Dame is carrying a group of scrubs to the playoffs every year.
Lets remember context here. Lillard is coached by a borderline top 5 coach. Came into the league playing with the best PF in the game at the time and a really solid supporting cast. That still today has a team of strong, diverse roll players being coached up in a stable organization and system most have been able to grow into.
Reverse the rolls. Put Dame on this Pelicans squad this year with all the warts that came and an average PF in AD's place and AD on that Portland squad with an average PG in Dame's place and does anyone really think Portland does any worse this year?
This post was edited on 6/17/16 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 6/17/16 at 12:01 pm to htran90
Lilliard is a heck of player but give me AD
Posted on 6/17/16 at 12:09 pm to ShamelessPel
I'm not one to call the Blazers' roster scrubs, as I've said all year they'd win 40+ games. I'm a big Aminu fan. It's a guard driven league. Portland picked tenth consecutive years in the draft until Lillard's second year. A roster of Lillard, Wes, Batum, LA, JJ Hickson won like 33 games. Then we bring in RoLo for nothing and Dame takes the next step Boom playoffs.
Unless the Pels get a PG that can play 70+ games or if Jrue suddenly is blessed with a new body, it almost doesn't matter what the Pels do, they'll be in the lottery next season again (if you guys get Hield though....
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AD is where LA was a few years ago. People said Aldridge was talented. He just didn't win much so his stats looked empty. I got into a lot of debates over that because I always backed Aldridge he was my favorite Blazer next to Roy. He didn't get back to the playoffs until Lillard came along. It's just the makeup of the league.
Unless the Pels get a PG that can play 70+ games or if Jrue suddenly is blessed with a new body, it almost doesn't matter what the Pels do, they'll be in the lottery next season again (if you guys get Hield though....
) AD is where LA was a few years ago. People said Aldridge was talented. He just didn't win much so his stats looked empty. I got into a lot of debates over that because I always backed Aldridge he was my favorite Blazer next to Roy. He didn't get back to the playoffs until Lillard came along. It's just the makeup of the league.
Posted on 6/17/16 at 12:14 pm to NOLA Bronco
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Came into the league playing with the best PF in the game at the time and a really solid supporting cast.
Those players are GONE
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That still today has a team of strong, diverse roll players being coached up in a stable organization and system most have been able to grow into.
Until like game 62 of this season, nobody would've said that outside of PDX. There were threads on here about the Blazers still crashing and burning because they already peeked before the break.
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Put Dame on this Pelicans squad this year with all the warts that came and an average PF in AD's place and AD on that Portland squad with an average PG in Dame's place and does anyone really think Portland does any worse this year?
Only because of CJ I'd give the Portland squad the edge. That and the Pels frontcourt is built for a generational talent like AD. CJ can hadnle the ball and get it to AD. If we did a CJ and Lillard for AD and Jrue Swap, I'd take the Pels for reasons I gave in my previous post.
Posted on 6/17/16 at 12:17 pm to theducks
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AD is where LA was a few years ago. People said Aldridge was talented. He just didn't win much so his stats looked empty. I got into a lot of debates over that because I always backed Aldridge he was my favorite Blazer next to Roy. He didn't get back to the playoffs until Lillard came along. It's just the makeup of the league.
You are ignoring how much of an impact the stability and growth inhibited by Stotts helped that team.
Stotts has consistently outperformed expectations as a coach. He is a very, very good basketball mind from a leadership and scheme perspective. That is harder to find then people give credit for.
He is constantly taking players and maximizing their output. Players are almost all leaving his team commanding much larger paychecks then prior. Which is a testimony to how well he schemes and coaches players.
I absolutely agree Lillard has been crucial but I also don't think Lillard goes to somewhere like the Sixers and just turns them into a playoff team last year.
Posted on 6/17/16 at 12:24 pm to NOLA Bronco
if i have to win a title next year, give me Dame... if i have 10 years to win one, give me AD
Posted on 6/17/16 at 12:27 pm to htran90
There's really only one way to settle this... Defensive win share.
Let's see em, Boom.
Let's see em, Boom.
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