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re: Rose Bowl voted to expanded CFP What is your prediction of the first 12 team Playoff?
Posted on 11/28/22 at 5:59 pm to Dr RC
Posted on 11/28/22 at 5:59 pm to Dr RC
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Do you want the regular season to mean something every week? Y
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Then you want a playoff w/all conference winners and a few wild cards.
What
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Posted on 11/28/22 at 6:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Define "championship team" because if you mean "championship quality" then I agree and 4 is probably too many.
I'm talking about teams than can win a championship.
And lol at "championship quality." Just say eye test.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 6:03 pm to El Segundo Guy
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This year again shows that 12 teams is a joke.
It was the SEC pushing 12 teams. I am not sure why you think it is a joke, it is the best scenario for SEC outside of four team playoff. The only way we were going to have more than two teams was to go to 12 team playoff. The eight team model was going to have five power five conference champions and a group of five conference champion leaving only two at large bids.
If you mean from a competitive standpoint I agree, but then the four team playoff is a joke, too. There are consistently blowouts in the semi-finals. Michigan and GA have separated themselves this year, so I am sure it will happen again.
This post was edited on 11/28/22 at 6:04 pm
Posted on 11/28/22 at 6:03 pm to udtiger
quote:I agree. It essentially turns the Conference Championship games into playoff games.
Power 5 champions and one at large
Posted on 11/28/22 at 6:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
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With more games/teams you increase the chance of upsets, which is the antithesis of any title-determination.
I agree. I'd love a team that barely is ranked 12th that runs some gimmick or triple option that has a badass defense get in. That 5th ranked team would shite having to prepare.
I'd also like to see the top 4 only being a conference champ. If you were ranked 4th but didn't win the conf. you are relegated down and the next highest ranked champ moves up to 4.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 7:39 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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NFL model.
Oh and the best CFB game of all-time was played at the Rose Bowl...and usually has the best Bowl games year in and year out.
The rest of your post was crap, except for this.
The Georgia- Oklahoma Rose Bowl in '18 was one of the top-10 CFB games ever IMO.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 7:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
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With more games/teams you increase the chance of upsets, which is the antithesis of any title-determination.
By this definition then whenever a top seed doesn’t win a championship, then it wasn’t a good playoff system.
Upset is any lower team bearing a higher seed?
What if you have some undefeated wild card team that gets in with a 5 or a 6 seed, and rolls it’s way through to a championship after beating some top “traditional” schools?
Your “ideal” system wouldn’t even give them a chance.
This post was edited on 11/28/22 at 7:56 pm
Posted on 11/28/22 at 7:54 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Best games the last 25 years, pageantry, played on real grass during the day...what CFB is about, beautiful girls, sunshine...Granddaddy of them all...if you hate the Rose Bowl, you hate CFB and just want a cookie-cutter NFL model.
What a dumb fricking statement lol.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 8:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
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What
The
frick
It's not a difficult concept. Auto qualifiers for conference winners make winning your conference extremely important. Far more games would matter much deeper into the season if it was the the standard.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 8:59 pm to H-Town Tiger
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The loser doesn’t have to play in the Conference CG so they would both ultimately play the same number of games by the first round and worse the winner could play 1 more if they lose the CCG.
The conference champ game about to go away. It was created to put a team in contention for the title. When 2-3 teams will get into the CFP, no reason to risk a spot due to a blowout.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 9:00 pm to LSUSportsFan2000
the most pretentious bowl ever 
Posted on 11/28/22 at 9:05 pm to LooseCannon22282
With a 12 team playoff the hope is that the talent starts to spread out as more teams have CFP chances. Plus, more games will mean more deeper into the season. Yeah, OSU v UM was great but every game in the Top 20 would matter that last weekend as you're just trying to get into the top 12. More meaningful games across the board means higher ratings across the board.
Posted on 11/29/22 at 6:28 am to LSUSportsFan2000
Rose Bowl is about to fade to irrelevance with USC and UCLA leaving for the B1G and other PAC-12 schools trying to follow.
12 is too many though. 8 is the perfect number. P5 champs plus highest ranked G5 champ and 2 at-large. First round games on campus of the higher seed
12 is too many though. 8 is the perfect number. P5 champs plus highest ranked G5 champ and 2 at-large. First round games on campus of the higher seed
Posted on 11/29/22 at 7:38 am to SlowFlowPro
stfu
Posted on 11/29/22 at 7:53 am to Bama Bird
well so many wanted the fricking playoff.....here is the problem with the playoff(and many of us noted it would ruin the sport) its made the sport, playoff or fricking bust......nobody cares about anything else anymore. Used to be win the conference was the goal and if other things fell in line...cool. not now
so now you have 90% of teams out before november and half the country out of the race. Well that makes interest across the country wane.
so since we cant take back the playoff and go back to how it was....we now need to create a system where it keeps lots and lots of teams vested. best way to do that is 12-16 teams.
sorry but you wanted the playoff....this is what you will get some years.
and thats fine. im not gonna bitch about more games.
so in short...if we are going to have a playoff....12-16 is best way. have a real playoff and keep teams vested.
so now you have 90% of teams out before november and half the country out of the race. Well that makes interest across the country wane.
so since we cant take back the playoff and go back to how it was....we now need to create a system where it keeps lots and lots of teams vested. best way to do that is 12-16 teams.
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Most of the time there are only 3 deserving teams. I don't want CFP to be a sport where 4 loss teams are winning championships- that would be ridiculous
sorry but you wanted the playoff....this is what you will get some years.
and thats fine. im not gonna bitch about more games.
so in short...if we are going to have a playoff....12-16 is best way. have a real playoff and keep teams vested.
Posted on 11/29/22 at 8:08 am to El Segundo Guy
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This year again shows that 12 teams is a joke
I totally disagree. This year is a perfect example of why there SHOULD be 12 teams, in my opinion.
Let's say Michigan, UGA, USC and TCU end up getting in. If everything holds serve those would be the 4 most "deserving" teams to get in. Don't think there is much debate there.
Now.. I am of the opinion that TCU and USC aren't even really that close to being one of the four best teams in the country. That leaves maybe two less than desirable semi final match ups.
Change that number to 12, and we will get to watch TCU and USC have to play it out on the field against some of those teams I feel are better. That would be awesome to watch.
Is there usually only 2-3 teams who seem far and away the better team each year? Sure. But at least now, by the time we get to the semi finals we are sitting with pretty damn close to the four best. And the (maybe) rare upset year where we see an unlikely team make a run will be great to watch, and great for CFB.
Posted on 11/29/22 at 11:54 am to lsu777
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Used to be win the conference was the goal and if other things fell in line...cool. not now
Which is why if you win your conference you should be in.
Would a few of those teams get wrecked in the first round? Sure. But so what? That's how playoffs work. The top teams get the weaker teams as a reward while the middle teams have the rougher road.
If you really want to make winning your conference a huge deal make it so wild cards don't get to host at any point even if they are the higher seed. Also, only conference winners can get a bye.
This year's 12 would be something like
Conference winners w/first round bye
01. Georgia 13-0
02. Michigan 13-0
03. TCU 13-0
04. USC 12-1
05. Ohio State - 11-1 (wildcard)
06. Tennessee - 10-2 (wildcard)
07. Clemson 11-2
08. Tulane 11-2
09. UTSA 11-2
10. Troy 11-2
11. Boise State 10-3
12. Ohio 10-3
That gives you a first round of Ohio State at Ohio, Tennessee at Boise State, Troy at Clemson, and UTSA at Tulane.
If you want to presume the favorites win the second round is Tulane at UGA, Clemson at Michigan, Tennessee at TCU, Ohio State at USC.
Y'all really wouldn't be happy w/that?
This post was edited on 11/29/22 at 11:57 am
Posted on 11/29/22 at 1:02 pm to Dr RC
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06. Tennessee - 10-2 (wildcard)
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No Bama
Posted on 11/29/22 at 1:12 pm to Nathan Hail
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with a 12 team playoff, we're gonna have 8 - 10 teams who have no business being there in the first place. it just waters down the regular season. i'm sure there will be a lot of crying over the 13th ranked team getting left out.
the first teams out will always complain they got screwed. They do in 64/68 team fields in baseball and basketball.
Posted on 11/29/22 at 1:34 pm to Dr RC
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09. UTSA 11-2
10. Troy 11-2
11. Boise State 10-3
12. Ohio 10-3
That's not how this works
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