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re: Rose Bowl voted to expanded CFP What is your prediction of the first 12 team Playoff?
Posted on 11/28/22 at 12:51 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 11/28/22 at 12:51 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
I think 12 is way too many and the ideal number is 6 or 8, with first round games being on campus.
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Posted on 11/28/22 at 1:21 pm to LSUSportsFan2000
Good. Fuk expanded playoff. 4 is too many as it is. Going to ruin college fb and importance of regular season
Posted on 11/28/22 at 1:23 pm to PeteRose
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frick the rose bowl for cheating me out out Penn St/Nebraska in ‘93 and Michigan/Nebraska in ‘97.
Allowed UF/FSU rematch in 96 though.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 1:37 pm to Nathan Hail
Excellent post. It’s textbook “if you give a mouse a cookie.” When they go to 12, how soon will it be until people are calling for another expansion?
In the future system, right now UGA and Michigan would be preparing for their CCGs while OSU and Bama would be in the clubhouse already in the playoff.
Lastly, I don’t think the use of an expanded playoff at other levels of football is a valid argument for college football playoff expansion. Apples and oranges. The NFL has a talent parity that makes their playoff work which college football will never have. And if you look to lower levels, there are ~240 D3 college programs. They only play 10 games and it is very difficult to get in without winning a conference. FBS has 120 teams, only about half of which are P5. Not a valid comparison.
If they really wanted to expand, should’ve done 6 teams, with each P5 champ and an at large.
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the least they can do is get rid of conf championship games if they're gonna have a 12 team playoff. winning a conf would just be an aggregate conf record and tie breakers like it used to be.
In the future system, right now UGA and Michigan would be preparing for their CCGs while OSU and Bama would be in the clubhouse already in the playoff.
Lastly, I don’t think the use of an expanded playoff at other levels of football is a valid argument for college football playoff expansion. Apples and oranges. The NFL has a talent parity that makes their playoff work which college football will never have. And if you look to lower levels, there are ~240 D3 college programs. They only play 10 games and it is very difficult to get in without winning a conference. FBS has 120 teams, only about half of which are P5. Not a valid comparison.
If they really wanted to expand, should’ve done 6 teams, with each P5 champ and an at large.
This post was edited on 11/28/22 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 11/28/22 at 1:41 pm to Topwater Trout
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The joke is meaningless bowl games. Every other division of cfb has had 16 team playoffs for years.
guess what? North dakota st has won the FCS championship 9 of the past 11 years in a 16 team playoff. there will even less parity in CFB if all the brand name teams can afford to have 1-2 losses every year. why don't people get this? it'll devalue the greatness and excitement of the regular season
if missouri beat UGA, good chance that the bulldogs are kept out of the playoff, or at the very least, this weekend's game in atlanta would be a can't lose scenario for them.
even though UM smashed OSU, it really wouldn't matter in the 12 team playoff. b/c OSU would be in the 12 team format. the game means a lot less
CFB has always had levels of success, whether it's bowl game (NY6, just getting to a bowl game, etc), or whether it's playing spoiler and ruining someone's season.
you really think fans of boston college, texas tech, and kentucky expect to be in the CFP discussion every year? with the 12 team format, they'll almost never get in, and even when they upset a top ranked team, it won't mean much. because that top ranked team will still be in the top 12
Posted on 11/28/22 at 1:44 pm to NEOJoe
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Excellent post. It’s textbook “if you give a mouse a cookie.” When they go to 12, how soon will it be until people are calling for another expansion?
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the least they can do is get rid of conf championship games if they're gonna have a 12 team playoff. winning a conf would just be an aggregate conf record and tie breakers like it used to be.
In the future system, right now UGA and Michigan would be preparing for their CCGs while OSU and Bama would be in the clubhouse already in the playoff.
Lastly, I don’t think the use of an expanded playoff at other levels of football is a valid argument for college football playoff expansion. Apples and oranges. The NFL has a talent parity that makes their playoff work which college football will never have. And if you look to lower levels, there are ~240 D3 college programs. They only play 10 games and it is very difficult to get in without winning a conference. FBS has 120 teams, only about half of which are P5. Not a valid comparison.
If they really wanted to expand, should’ve done 6 teams, with each P5 champ and an at large.
exactly all of this^^^.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 1:45 pm to LSUSportsFan2000
quote:insert "Well...Bye" image
Rose Bowl holding up expanded CFP
Posted on 11/28/22 at 1:51 pm to El Segundo Guy
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This year again shows that 12 teams is a joke.
You could make the argument that the 4 team playoff is also a joke. Semi finals are seldom competitive.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 1:54 pm to NEOJoe
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When they go to 12, how soon will it be until people are calling for another expansion?
Unless they restructure, it's inevitable.
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FBS has 120 teams, only about half of which are P5.
*131, and 133 next year.
As long as P5 schools continue to play outside of the P5, those are the numbers.
It's pretty simple. Either split up the FBS and stop counting cupcakes, or keep expanding until it's a realistic number to represent a playoff.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 2:02 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Then you think CFB should just be the NFL?
You act like NIL and the unlimited transfer portal haven't turned CFB into a watered down version of the NFL already. Every decision in the last 15 years has been made giving no thought to traditions or fans. Just like the NFL.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 2:16 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Ohio State still has a pretty good chance of getting to the playoff. If you think that makes Saturday any less meaningful, you don't understand the rivalry at all. People are calling for Day's job because of that loss and the dude is 45-5
People call for every coach to be fired after every loss. If OSU gets in the CFP, then yes the Michigan/OSU game last Saturday was totally meaningless.
Remember the #1 LSU vs #2 Bama game in 2011 that drew massive tv ratings and was as hyped up as any game you’ll ever see. Didn’t mean shite 2 months later.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 2:22 pm to LSUSportsFan2000
The problem with CFB Playoff is that it currently goes against the traditions of CFB rather than with them. CFB has, through the playoff and reckless conference expansion, and the facilities arms race, weakened the regionality and blue collar atmosphere that drove the sport’s appeal for generations. It has already become the NFL lite, serving mostly as a minor league.
I argue that fighting the traditional bowls with their traditional regional tie-ins is the wrong way to go. The Rose Bowl SHOULD be Midwest vs West Coast. The Sugar SHOULD be Great Plains/Texas vs the South. The Orange Bowl should be East Coast. Seed the playoff after the bowls, or start the post-season before the bowls and let the Rose be the championship game on New Years Day. No one GAF about College football after New Years Day.
You don’t need polls or rankings to sort out your playoff field.
I argue that fighting the traditional bowls with their traditional regional tie-ins is the wrong way to go. The Rose Bowl SHOULD be Midwest vs West Coast. The Sugar SHOULD be Great Plains/Texas vs the South. The Orange Bowl should be East Coast. Seed the playoff after the bowls, or start the post-season before the bowls and let the Rose be the championship game on New Years Day. No one GAF about College football after New Years Day.
You don’t need polls or rankings to sort out your playoff field.
This post was edited on 11/28/22 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 11/28/22 at 2:47 pm to T
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People call for every coach to be fired after every loss.
No, they don't. Sure, there are always the same idiots that want to run their mouths on social media.
This isn't that.
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If OSU gets in the CFP, then yes the Michigan/OSU game last Saturday was totally meaningless.
bullshite. I don't know anyone in this rivalry that would agree with you. And I'm not talking about t-shirt fans, before one of them jumps in.
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Remember the #1 LSU vs #2 Bama game in 2011 that drew massive tv ratings and was as hyped up as any game you’ll ever see. Didn’t mean shite 2 months later.
Bama having a rematch with their 3rd or 4th biggest rival isn't the same as a rematch of The Game.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 2:47 pm to SG_Geaux
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By that logic, why don't we just go full-blown NCAA March Madness and have a 64-team playoff?
This is such a lame talking point. There are 348 D1 basketball teams. 64 teams in the tourney is about 18% of those teams.
FBS football meanwhile only has 131 teams and next year there will be 133. 12 teams in a playoff would be just 9% of the teams.
It's nowhere near the same and even if it was considering how many teams there are and how few OOC games occur the playoff SHOULD have a lot of participants. There is really no good way to actually judge which teams are the best that year. Eye test is garbage b/c of how wildly play for college teams can swing week to week. Number of stars for recruits or number of drafted players also means jack shite b/c there are plenty of awful teams that have lots of both.
It's incredible how resistant some of you are to having FBS football adhere to what every single other level of football does by having the championship settled on the field instead of in some backroom by a bunch of asshats whose reasoning for their rankings radically changes seemingly every week.
This post was edited on 11/28/22 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 11/28/22 at 2:53 pm to Dr RC
Maybe people are resistant to change because what they love about FBS College Football is that it’s NOT like every other level of football? 
Posted on 11/28/22 at 2:58 pm to T
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People call for every coach to be fired after every loss. If OSU gets in the CFP, then yes the Michigan/OSU game last Saturday was totally meaningless.
In 1996 Steve Spurrier won his first national title at Florida via rematch w/FSU in the Sugar Bowl.
Literately the ONLY reason we didn't get many bowl rematches in the old system was b/c of the conference bowl tie ins. Those same tie ins are also what caused there to hardly ever be a #1 vs #2 bowl.
You basically had to hope an independent was one of the top 2 teams AND you also had to hope their following was big enough that the bowl w/#1 or #2 team would invite them AND you also had to hope that said bowl paid more to the participants than what the other major bowls were offering. It was a shitty shitty system for determining the best team.
A playoff is absolutely better than the old bowl system and it's also a lot better than the BCS where you'd run the risk of having to leave an undefeated team out purely b/c they didn't start ranked high enough in the pre-season.
This post was edited on 11/28/22 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 11/28/22 at 3:27 pm to kingbob
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Maybe people are resistant to change because what they love about FBS College Football is that it’s NOT like every other level of football?
The college football experience everyone grew up with in the 70s, 80s, and 90s is long gone.
Small regional conferences are dead. Teams playing as independents will be down to 4 and Notre Dame already has one foot in the ACC. Tons of rivalries are dead b/c of realignment. Every game is now televised which has decimated attendance numbers at a large amount of schools.
Back then crowds game days were very spontaneous and school bands would be playing damn near all game long. Now nearly every team (and soon to be all) has a heavily scripted game day experience which is loaded with tons of advertising and piped in music that is often turned up so fricking loud it sounds like the speakers are blown.
Back then game times were set before the season even started making it easy for fans to plan their travel. If the game wasn't televised you it could be over in 2 1/2 hours and you'd be on your way home. Now the game time is set week to week and games on major networks can push 4 hours long b/c frick you 2 hours of ads are more important. Oh and PS did you want a night game b/c it's September in the South or a day game b/c it's November in the NE and NW? Yeah get fricked some more. We are staggering our games to get top ratings all day long.
I loved CFB back then. Part of me still pines for the SWC and the Cotton Bowl being the goal for every season. But those days are gone and it's time to move on. Right now what we have is the worst of both worlds. It's best to just kill it off and go full playoff. It's better for the life of the sport long term anyway has what we have now has ruined the regular season for all but the 4-8 teams by mid October.
There is one thing that can be brought back though. Do you want the regular season to mean something every week? You want the the talking heads to talk about more teams than the same 5-6 teams every week? Do you want it to feel like you accomplished something getting to the postseason again? Then you want a playoff w/all conference winners and a few wild cards. 12-16 in a playoff teams gets you just that.
This post was edited on 11/28/22 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 11/28/22 at 5:52 pm to HottyToddy7
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Don't bring your Poli board BS to the MSB. Leave it there.
Bro
Posted on 11/28/22 at 5:53 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Championship systems should be built to maximize the opportunity for championship teams to prove themselves against other championship teams.
Define "championship team" because if you mean "championship quality" then I agree and 4 is probably too many.
If you're talking about winning a conference, lol.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 5:55 pm to Dr RC
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It's nowhere near the same
No shite. There is a lot less parity in CFB.
March Madness should be an 8-team, best of 3 tournament, if they wanted to be serious about crowning legit champs.
The last thing I want is for CFB to become MM lite, where we celebrate upsets and underdogs.
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It's incredible how resistant some of you are to having FBS football adhere to what every single other level of football
The reason CFB is way ahead of every other college sport in terms of popularity is because of how different it is.
There is a reason 1AA teams leave as quickly as they can to 1A, even though they change their chances of a title to 0%.
This post was edited on 11/28/22 at 5:57 pm
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