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re: Rose Bowl voted to expanded CFP What is your prediction of the first 12 team Playoff?
Posted on 11/29/22 at 1:36 pm to LSUSportsFan2000
Posted on 11/29/22 at 1:36 pm to LSUSportsFan2000
Playoff should not be expanded. Four is the right number. You can look at the FCS results and find that as TV coverage expanded, it became easier to properly seed the teams. Top 4 are easy to identify and the champ comes from the top 4 in 12 of the last 13 years and the exception was the 5th seeded team.
If there's to be a change, just use the BCS formula to pick the top 4.
If there's to be a change, just use the BCS formula to pick the top 4.
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Posted on 11/29/22 at 1:36 pm to Dr RC
quote:I'd be pretty happy just rolling with an 8 team field that looked like that and skip the opening round blowouts of 3 loss G5 teams. Guarantee a spot for the top ranked G5 champion in an 8 team field. Having 3 loss G5 schools that would be 30 point underdogs in the playoffs doesn't really appeal to me.
If you want to presume the favorites win the second round is Tulane at UGA, Clemson at Michigan, Tennessee at TCU, Ohio State at USC.
Y'all really wouldn't be happy w/that?
Posted on 11/29/22 at 2:50 pm to LSUSportsFan2000
Rose Bowl should be moved to the new pro stadium just like the Cotton Bowl was several years ago.
The stadium in Pasadena may have beautiful surrounding views, but the stadium itself is a dump & not a good place to watch a game.
The stadium in Pasadena may have beautiful surrounding views, but the stadium itself is a dump & not a good place to watch a game.
Posted on 11/29/22 at 4:36 pm to LSU
Rose Bowl is best setting in sports
Posted on 11/29/22 at 6:35 pm to LSUSportsFan2000
It’s hard to believe this got botched so badly. Six teams for the six highest rated conference champions might not have been the perfect system but I can’t help but feel the vast majority of all controversy would have been avoided under such a system.
You’d lose some teams like last years UGA squad and 2017 Alabama, but if that’s the price to pay for a measure of objectivity in the selection process I’d take it. You’d also avoid squads like the back to back undefeated UCF squads from feeling like the entire season is pointless to even play.
And honestly I think it would have been easy to stomach with that UGA squad because they were coming off a blowout loss so it isn’t like people would cry for them.
You’d lose some teams like last years UGA squad and 2017 Alabama, but if that’s the price to pay for a measure of objectivity in the selection process I’d take it. You’d also avoid squads like the back to back undefeated UCF squads from feeling like the entire season is pointless to even play.
And honestly I think it would have been easy to stomach with that UGA squad because they were coming off a blowout loss so it isn’t like people would cry for them.
This post was edited on 11/29/22 at 6:41 pm
Posted on 11/29/22 at 6:47 pm to LSUSportsFan2000
Power 5 Champions, 2 at-large, and highest ranked G5 Champion for 8 team tournament would be perfect IMO.
This post was edited on 11/29/22 at 6:51 pm
Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:22 am to HottyToddy7
quote:I'm sure the participation trophys for all those other teams will be humongous.
12 teams creates so many more meaningful games. It allows schools outside of Bama/ UGA/ Mich / Ohio St/ Oklahoma and Clemson being the only schools that ever play in it.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 1:42 am to HottyToddy7
quote:
There is only like 6 teams that have a shot every year.
How do you figure? Because only 6 teams are good?
You want the 7th best team to have a shot? Or wouldn't they just lose to one of the big 6 every year?
I mean, LSU, Tennessee, Ole Miss, Oregon, etc had a shot this year. Win the games and you're in.
The pageantry, drama, and controversy of college football has always been entertaining AF. Expanding the playoffs makes sense in the transition to being basically just another pro league.
Currently a top tier team losing a game is a huge deal because of the playoff implications. With 8 team playoff its not such a big deal. Sure, it makes games with lesser teams more interesting.. but they're lesser teams that are expected to lose in the playoffs anyway so its not as interesting.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 1:58 am to LSUSportsFan2000
The Rose Bowl is Americana at its finest. I’d rather watch a game there than in Sofi.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 2:15 am to Epic Cajun
All these people clamoring for expanded college playoffs are going to be the same ones in 10 years scratching their heads wondering what happened to all the final week rivalry games. No coach is going to risk getting a Bryce Young/Tim Tebow/Nick Bosa-type player hurt if they've got a playoff berth wrapped up. The Buckeyes getting bent over and only falling to #5 or #6 this past weekend is proof of that.
And, let's face it, a lot of this support for more playoff teams is the same reason as recent changes to recruiting and transfer rules - Bama fatigue. "I'm tired of seeing the same old teams! Bama, Ohio State, Clemson!" You think you're ever going to get rid of them now? You all but guaranteed you'll see them every year. And who do you think has a better chance of running the table - a 2-loss Bama or Ohio State who's having a down year or some NC State/Syracuse/ASU level program that happens to catch lightning in a bottle? Be honest, if TCU and Bama squared off next weekend who would you put your money on? Your best hope to get rid of these blue bloods you say you're tired of is killing them off in the regular season. You let them in the door with watered down playoffs and look out.
And, let's face it, a lot of this support for more playoff teams is the same reason as recent changes to recruiting and transfer rules - Bama fatigue. "I'm tired of seeing the same old teams! Bama, Ohio State, Clemson!" You think you're ever going to get rid of them now? You all but guaranteed you'll see them every year. And who do you think has a better chance of running the table - a 2-loss Bama or Ohio State who's having a down year or some NC State/Syracuse/ASU level program that happens to catch lightning in a bottle? Be honest, if TCU and Bama squared off next weekend who would you put your money on? Your best hope to get rid of these blue bloods you say you're tired of is killing them off in the regular season. You let them in the door with watered down playoffs and look out.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 2:36 am to USC2003Champs
People got some irrational hatred about the Rose Bowl when it's what CFB is all about.
Grass, parade, sunshine, beautiful Cali girls..great games.
I mean the Rose Bowl game is rarely not awesome year in and year out.
January 1, 2004 #1 USC 28 #4 Michigan 14
January 1, 2005 #6 Texas 38 #13 Michigan 37
January 4, 2006 #1 USC 38 #2 Texas 41
January 1, 2009 #5 USC 38 #6 Penn State 24
January 1, 2010 #7 Oregon 17 #8 Ohio State 26
January 1, 2011 #3 TCU 21 #4 Wisconsin 19
January 2, 2012 #6 Oregon 45 #9 Wisconsin 38
January 1, 2013 #8 Stanford 20 #23 Wisconsin 14
January 1, 2014 #5 Stanford 20 #4 Michigan State 24
January 2, 2017 #9 USC 52 #5 Penn State 49
January 1, 2018 #2 Oklahoma 48 #3 Georgia 54
January 1, 2019 #9 Washington 23 #5 Ohio State 28
January 1, 2020 #7 Oregon 28 #11 Wisconsin 27
January 1, 2022 #11 Utah 45 #6 Ohio State 48
The Grandaddy, CFB's Daddy, the most exciting close NY6 games....to complain and shite on it is shitting on Americana. I don't get it. Just weird insecurity.
It deserves its special status. It paved the way for CFB and laid the groundwork for all the Johnny come latelies Bowl Games.
It wants to remain special because it is special.
Grass, parade, sunshine, beautiful Cali girls..great games.
I mean the Rose Bowl game is rarely not awesome year in and year out.
January 1, 2004 #1 USC 28 #4 Michigan 14
January 1, 2005 #6 Texas 38 #13 Michigan 37
January 4, 2006 #1 USC 38 #2 Texas 41
January 1, 2009 #5 USC 38 #6 Penn State 24
January 1, 2010 #7 Oregon 17 #8 Ohio State 26
January 1, 2011 #3 TCU 21 #4 Wisconsin 19
January 2, 2012 #6 Oregon 45 #9 Wisconsin 38
January 1, 2013 #8 Stanford 20 #23 Wisconsin 14
January 1, 2014 #5 Stanford 20 #4 Michigan State 24
January 2, 2017 #9 USC 52 #5 Penn State 49
January 1, 2018 #2 Oklahoma 48 #3 Georgia 54
January 1, 2019 #9 Washington 23 #5 Ohio State 28
January 1, 2020 #7 Oregon 28 #11 Wisconsin 27
January 1, 2022 #11 Utah 45 #6 Ohio State 48
The Grandaddy, CFB's Daddy, the most exciting close NY6 games....to complain and shite on it is shitting on Americana. I don't get it. Just weird insecurity.
It deserves its special status. It paved the way for CFB and laid the groundwork for all the Johnny come latelies Bowl Games.
It wants to remain special because it is special.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 6:09 am to SoFla Tideroller
quote:
Nick Bosa
What an odd example to use.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 7:33 am to Dr RC
quote:
Auto qualifiers for conference winners make winning your conference extremely important.
Sure but there are enough flukes out there to make this stupid for a title determination system.
Also, you don't want to make winning the SEC equal with some shitty conference. That makes no sense.
How far down the SEC roster do we go before we think Tulane can win a game? Half the conference? You want to make the AAC equal to the SEC as a title determination process and exclude those superior SEC teams?
That completely destroys the value of the regular season and playing quality opponents.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 7:39 am to SoFla Tideroller
quote:
No coach is going to risk getting a Bryce Young/Tim Tebow/Nick Bosa-type player hurt if they've got a playoff berth wrapped up. The Buckeyes getting bent over and only falling to #5 or #6 this past weekend is proof of that.
If they expand to 12 teams, and winning is the difference between getting a bye or having to play another game vs a top 10 opponent, I think they’ll play to win the game
Posted on 11/30/22 at 7:42 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
That completely destroys the value of the regular season and playing quality opponents.
The second half of the regular season is already destroyed for all but maybe a dozen teams or so. Expanding the playoff will make some games less interesting, sure. But, it’ll make a lot of more games relevant.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 7:45 am to Epic Cajun
quote:
The second half of the regular season is already destroyed for all but maybe a dozen teams or so.
In the playoff era? Yes.
Back in the BCS era? No.
Lower tier teams still had something to play for back in the day but they've been relegated to an even lower tier status today.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 7:46 am to SoFla Tideroller
quote:
And, let's face it, a lot of this support for more playoff teams is the same reason as recent changes to recruiting and transfer rules - Bama fatigue. "I'm tired of seeing the same old teams! Bama, Ohio State, Clemson!" You think you're ever going to get rid of them now?
Never thought I'd be in favor of going back to the BCS but it sounds good. Michigan vs. Georgia. Otherwise with an expanded playoff, its crap the bed, then get a do-over. Shite, Ohio State AND Alabama might get a do-over this year and it's only a 4-team playoff.
Can we not turn the CFB regular season into the NHL where everyone gets a playoff spot.
This post was edited on 11/30/22 at 7:49 am
Posted on 11/30/22 at 7:56 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
That completely destroys the value of the regular season and playing quality opponents.
Well, this year, Tulane and LSU are both playing in respective conference championships and both have the exact same number of top 10 wins
LSU: Bama
Tulane: KState
No one would argue against the SEC being tougher than the American. That’s obvious. And it’s why, had LSU not laid an egg vs A&M, in expanded 12 team playoff, they’d likely still have a chance at one of last at large spots even with 3 losses.
Tulane would definitely not have that possibility. It’s win conference or stay home.
And in the end the net effect is More games have More meaning
Posted on 11/30/22 at 8:00 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Lower tier teams still had something to play for back in the day but they've been relegated to an even lower tier status today.
IMO, what they should really do is have 4 power conferences of 12 teams, teams should only play conference games, so 11 regular season games and a conference championship between the top 2 teams in each conference after the regular season round-robin is complete. Then they should have a 4 team playoff with the winner of each conference. The other bowl games could just be inter-conference games, like they are now.
The G5 schools should have their own playoff, however they want to.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 8:05 am to LSU
quote:This. It's the most overrated venue that I've ever attended a game. It's like a 50's high school stadium that seats 88k. And there's nothing nostalgic or charming about the Rose Bowl. It's a piece of shite.
Rose Bowl should be moved to the new pro stadium just like the Cotton Bowl was several years ago.
The stadium in Pasadena may have beautiful surrounding views, but the stadium itself is a dump & not a good place to watch a game.
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