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re: Rose Bowl voted to expanded CFP What is your prediction of the first 12 team Playoff?
Posted on 11/28/22 at 11:00 am to DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 11/28/22 at 11:00 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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The problem is there is sometimes a subjective argument to be made for a 5th or lower ranked team to be in the top two.
you can make a subjective argument for anything. hell, the top two is still subjective.
that's why we play the games instead of just crowning the 247 team talent winner the national champion.
obviously, the less subjective the ranking is, the better, but we don't have a way for everyone to play everyone else at this point. the regular season is a playoff.
pennst, as an example, had their chance to beat Michigan and osu. they lost. they have a solid team and a good program, but why would they be deserving of a shot at the national title? if they do have a chance, then what is a national title worth?
this isn't super organized nfl with a super organized super bowl format. maybe one day it will be, but we're putting the cart in front of horse with a 12 team playoff at this juncture.
what 5th place team at the end of the year would you say had a good argument for being in the top two? there are objective measures that are used. the individual can always just deny objectivity and scream their own subjective "argument" while dismissing reality out of hand.
if the season ended this past saturday with no conf championship games, or if Michigan, usc, uga and tcu win out, who outside of those 4 teams would you say has an argument for being in the top two? sc already doesn't, they're just lucky to be there because of a 4 team format.
if osu is 4th because someone loses, they're just lucky to be there. they objectively lost to Michigan. they objectively have one loss whereas we have 3 teams with no losses.
we can subjectively say that osu is still better than tcu and sc. i would actually agree with it. i don't see an objective, on-field measure where osu has a better team than uga, tcu or Michigan.
which 5th place team has had an objective argument for being one of the top two since the inception of the bcs?
we can always throw shite against the wall and make a subjective argument, but it falls flat when we have objective/less subjective measures to use.
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Posted on 11/28/22 at 11:03 am to Nathan Hail
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that's why we play the games
Right. And with a better playoff, teams will have more opportunity to do that.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 11:07 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Right. And with a better playoff, teams will have more opportunity to do that.
you mean mulligans. they had all the opportunity in the world to win during the regular season.
you're actually saying that playing the games during the regular season don't mean as much.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 11:13 am to El Segundo Guy
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This year again shows that 12 teams is a joke.
The joke is meaningless bowl games. Every other division of cfb has had 16 team playoffs for years.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 11:22 am to SG_Geaux
When is the last time a Big 10 champion actually played a Pac12 champion in the Rose Bowl?
Posted on 11/28/22 at 11:45 am to Nathan Hail
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you mean mulligans.
You act like these haven't always existed.
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they had all the opportunity in the world to win during the regular season.
And even when they've done nothing but that, they've sometimes been left out.
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you're actually saying that playing the games during the regular season don't mean as much.
I'm not. I'm saying more teams have the opportunity to make their regular season mean more.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 11:46 am to T
2019.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 12:04 pm to HottyToddy7
Just making the playoff will be a major deal to some schools just like making the NCAA tourney is.
They will hang banners and have a parade. This is good for the overall product of college football.
They will hang banners and have a parade. This is good for the overall product of college football.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 12:06 pm to LG2BAMA
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Just making the playoff will be a major deal to some schools just like making the NCAA tourney is.
They will hang banners and have a parade. This is good for the overall product of college football.
100%. OM would have made a 12 team playoff twice in the last decade. We have virtually no shot at a 4 team playoff. The top 4 won't play the first round anyway and 5 vs 12 shouldn't be a complete blowout. That will be 2 great weekends of games in the round of 12 and the round of 8.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 12:18 pm to HottyToddy7
All of that is fine and perfectly reasonable to support that. But just acknowledge it will render other games essentially meaningless, like this week’s Ohio St Michigan game.
As far getting a bye teams that win CCG will play the same amount of games. If you were Bama last year would you rather play an extra game were J Williamson got hurt to earn a bye or play a home game against someone like BYU or Michigan St
As far getting a bye teams that win CCG will play the same amount of games. If you were Bama last year would you rather play an extra game were J Williamson got hurt to earn a bye or play a home game against someone like BYU or Michigan St
Posted on 11/28/22 at 12:20 pm to H-Town Tiger
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As far getting a bye teams that win CCG will play the same amount of games. If you were Bama last year would you rather play an extra game were J Williamson got hurt to earn a bye or play a home game against someone like BYU or Michigan St
Seeding and who gets a bye and who wins the conference aren't meaningless. That is the problem is being one of the 4 is all that matters. Conference championships and other bowl games are pointless. None of the talking heads talk about anything else.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 12:22 pm to Topwater Trout
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Every other division of cfb has had 16 team playoffs for years.
How many outside of the top 5 have won it?
Posted on 11/28/22 at 12:23 pm to HottyToddy7
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There is only like 6 teams that have a shot every year.
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The rest of the sport is pointless. Going to 12 teams creates so many more meaningful games
what
the
frick
Posted on 11/28/22 at 12:23 pm to H-Town Tiger
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But just acknowledge it will render other games essentially meaningless, like this week’s Ohio St Michigan game.
Ohio State still has a pretty good chance of getting to the playoff. If you think that makes Saturday any less meaningful, you don't understand the rivalry at all. People are calling for Day's job because of that loss and the dude is 45-5.
You could tell us we're in at 0-12, and The Game wouldn't be close to meaningless.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 12:24 pm to bstew3006
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By your logic, Match Madness and baseball playoff is too many
MM should be an 8-team, best of 3 tournament
MM has WAY too many teams
Posted on 11/28/22 at 12:26 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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And with a better playoff, teams will have more opportunity to do that.
With more games/teams you increase the chance of upsets, which is the antithesis of any title-determination.
Championship systems should be built to minimize potential upsets.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 12:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
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With more games/teams you increase the chance of upsets, which is the antithesis of any title-determination.
Championship systems should be built to minimize potential upsets.
You aren't putting 6-6 teams up against undefeated conference champions.
Championship systems should be built to maximize the opportunity for championship teams to prove themselves against other championship teams.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 12:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
Don't bring your Poli board BS to the MSB. Leave it there.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 12:34 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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You aren't putting 6-6 teams up against undefeated conference champions.
Championship systems should be built to maximize the opportunity for championship teams to prove themselves against other championship teams.
All the fans of teams that have been in the playoff want to keep it at 4. Everyone else wants it at 12. The biases of people are pretty easy to spot.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 12:36 pm to HottyToddy7
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All the fans of teams that have been in the playoff want to keep it at 4. Everyone else wants it at 12. The biases of people are pretty easy to spot.
Not all of us. 12 isn't what I'd go with, but I've always hated the current "playoff," the BcS before that, the Bowl Alliance, etc.
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