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re: Pop vs Phil. Who you got?

Posted on 5/19/14 at 9:54 pm to
Posted by BillyBobfan24_7
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 9:54 pm to
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Phil had MJ, Pippen, Shaq in their primes and Kobe in his early prime. Pop has done more with less in San An.


Pop has done less with less.
Posted by DMagic
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 9:54 pm to
I know that was a joke


Yeah Hollins was and is scum
Posted by Hat Tricks
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 9:55 pm to
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well its a stupid fricking scenario


Was just meant to spark debate and have people actually think about what they're saying. Do you think Popovich could have coached those teams to titles that Phil did? Do you think Phil could have done the same with Pop's teams? What's so stupid about that if we're really debating they're coaching skills and not their "gm" skills of bringing in players?
Posted by BilJ
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 10:00 pm to
We have no idea how Pops would have done with those Laker teams. Would his style have worked with a young, arrogant Kobe and a Shaq at his peak?
Posted by Hat Tricks
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 10:01 pm to
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We have no idea how Pops would have done with those Laker teams. Would his style have worked with a young, arrogant Kobe and a Shaq at his peak?


No, we don't know but that's why I think it is interesting to think about and discuss.
Posted by tigerpimpbot
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 10:03 pm to
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Pop has done less with less.



On point
Posted by LSUTIGER in TEXAS
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 10:22 pm to
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Pops is a great coach, but its a tad ridiculous when people pretend he's worked with shite talent
agreed. especially when many people consider tim duncan the best PF of all time.


i love both coaches. both have been exceptional at coaching basketball and all the intricacies of the craft. phillip gets the nod b/c of his overall success, but its not as lopsided as the 11-4 title count would have you believe.


both are just terrific coaches. i feel like picking one somehow demeans the other. thats not what i want to do. its just.... despite phillip's massive amount of premium players in their primes, its not like any coach could do shite before or after phil showed up. you could argue his greatest talent was knowing when was the right time, but like i said, no one before or after phil was lighting it up. phil jackson is completely under rated in his ability to get big ego stars to play together as a team
Posted by S
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 10:30 pm to
Phil for a high profile team w multiple stars

Pop for a younger blue collar type makeup.

Both guys thrive in that role(of course most of pops key pieces right now arent exactly young)
Posted by jg8623
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 10:42 pm to
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I know man. Must have been really hard coaching Jordan, Pippen, and the rest of those teams. They certainly weren't winning shite without Phil


How many rings did those teams win without Phil??? Yep, 0

Phil is an amazing coach obviously, but if I'm picking a head coach before I know who any of the players will be give me Pop all day

If I have a team with some talented yet ego filled players, I'll prolly take Phil
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 10:43 pm to
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if I'm picking a head coach before I know who any of the players will be give me Pop all day

If I have a team with some talented yet ego filled players, I'll prolly take Phil


That's actually a pretty good summation, IMO.
Posted by jg8623
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 10:46 pm to
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That's actually a pretty good summation, IMO.


Posted by BuddyLAM
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 10:46 pm to
Zen Master
Posted by Srbtiger06
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 11:04 pm to
Not to pimp or discount Pop, but I've always viewed Jackson alot like I do Joe Torre. Solid manager...but he had great talent. He did more off the field/court than on it.
Posted by dcrews
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:50 am to
Not that I wouldn't take the players Phil had over the players Pop has/had, but let's be honest. Parker, Duncan and Ginobli aren't slouches. That and their FO is pretty good about getting smaller pieces and role players to fit their system.

That being said, Phil 11 times out of 10.

ETA: Not bashing Pop. Getting him or Phil to coach your franchise is a massive win/win situation.
This post was edited on 5/20/14 at 8:51 am
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:14 am to
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11 >>>>>>> 4
and MJ, Pippen, rodman, Gasol, Kobe,Shaq>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Timmy, Robinson, ginobli, Parker
Posted by ShamelessPel
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:21 am to
People acting as if Phil couldn't control Pip are completely blowing the whole bench fiasco out of proportion. It was one incident. Pippen deserved that shot. Kukoc was the better play. It's hilarious how one play can help define a career sometimes.

Also, calling Pippen a "huge ego" player is equally laughable. He flawlessly played Robin to MJ's Batman for his entire prime career minus those 2 years. God forbid he wanted a lifetime achievement "big shot moment".

Phil Jackson can suck a nut for his attitude towards NOLA, but damn if the triangle offense wasn't the coolest coaching invention in basketball history. I take Phil grudgingly.

Pop made it close, and it's easy to pick him because of his success with such an old roster still being the focal point of the team. People are completely discrediting that he had Tim Duncan, arguably the greatest PF in the history of the NBA, to anchor his run.
Posted by shel311
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:22 am to
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Those teams weren't doing anything without him.
Whoa
Posted by shel311
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:22 am to
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Pop has done more with less in San An
To be correct, Pop has done less with less.
Posted by Korin
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:27 am to
Jordan/Pippen didn't win before Jackson.
Kobe/Shaq didn't win before Jackson.
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:28 am to
Pop easily for me
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