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re: NIL is not free market capitalism
Posted on 12/15/21 at 10:39 pm to TomRollTideRitter
Posted on 12/15/21 at 10:39 pm to TomRollTideRitter
quote:ok
Shallow arguments like “but it’s a free market,” when the market is anything but, should bother anyone even if they agree with the outcome the shallow argument supports.
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Posted on 12/15/21 at 10:41 pm to Adam Banks
quote:i honestly dont know what to say. These are kids who we were gonna see play for like 3 years before they move on and now they might play 2 before going somewhere else. I just dont understand the thought of this being some sport killing thing
I’m not sure what’s so difficult to understand why the vast majority of fans are upset about this
This post was edited on 12/15/21 at 10:42 pm
Posted on 12/15/21 at 10:46 pm to TexasTiger08
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And then the kid bails to a school that will front him more in year 1.
Texas Tiger #,
Offer enough overall to make it worth his while.
Plenty of ways to protect an investment but y’all want these kids so bad you’ll give up everything.
Don’t blame the athletes earning money of desperate boosters.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 10:51 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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And wasn't the first NIL millionaire a gymnast who already had a massive Instagram following? She didn't need the name on the front of her leotard for that.
are you really comparing a chick who makes money on instagram for being hot to what is happening in college football?
Posted on 12/15/21 at 10:54 pm to TexasTiger08
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D3 athletes in Bama and Auburn unis would still produce a sellout for the game.
I would say no, it would look like a D3 game. No one outside of Alabama would be interested. You wouldn’t have the hype videos, you wouldn’t have the massive scoreboard. No one would be paying over $10 to get in
Posted on 12/15/21 at 10:58 pm to WestCoastAg
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These are kids who we were gonna see play for like 3 years
Most would be there 4 years and if they were 3 year guys it was because they contributed a massive amount
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and now they might play 2 before going somewhere else.
These kids are making transfers after even one year. The qbs in particular. A team can’t build depth like that and the kids IMO (typically) can’t develop like that. There a rare one who flourishes.
Also it’s not uncommon for these kids to go intra conference.
To sit there and act like this is all status quo compared to even ten years ago is asinine. To put two HUGE changes like that into essentially one offseason? Eliminating the two things that separated college sports from professional for 100 years? (Amateurism and school pride) Why are you surprised that COLLEGE message board would be upset?
Posted on 12/15/21 at 10:58 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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If Alabama swapped rosters with Troy and LSU swapped rosters with Monroe, Alabama-LSU would still crush Troy-ULM in ratings. That disjunction between quality of play and interest would not exist in a true free market.
If this was to happen. No one would give a dog shite about LSU or Alabama. It’s about the players. People want to see the best players play each other.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 10:58 pm to Adam Banks
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Because they simultaneously paired it with open transfers.
Even in the pros there is a contract with a specified time the player will be there. Fans can get invested.
Now there is zero loyalty by the player to the team that has a fan base who is 100% loyal to the team.
I’m not sure what’s so difficult to understand why the vast majority of fans are upset about this.
This is it right here.
I think NIL is a good thing. But combined with open transfers, it is becoming a real problem, real fast.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 11:14 pm to Adam Banks
quote:I dont find it to be the status quo. I dont find the change to be an issue and people acting like this is going to be the downfall of the sport are ridiculous
To sit there and act like this is all status quo compared to even ten years ago is asinine
Posted on 12/15/21 at 11:15 pm to slackster
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NIL mega-deals are basically just lighting money on fire from an economic impact standpoint,
Maybe companies will cut back on NIL if they don't see a benefit from it. But some schools have boosters able and willing to light money on fire for shits and giggles. Their alma mater's athletic program is their hobby, and they'll pour millions into it like some other baller pours millions into a mega yacht. The UT boosters who are basically paying every student athlete a solid middle class salary aren't doing it for the advertising bump.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 11:16 pm to WestCoastAg
It doesn’t take much imagination to figure out how NIL deals and an open transfer portal are going to be very difficult to coexist.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 11:32 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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The value of these athletes is derived from being attached to the universities they play for.
Yeah, Travis Hunter signing with Jackson State today just rendered your argument useless. Stop being a dumbass
Posted on 12/15/21 at 11:54 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:if you want minor league football tell the NFL that they need to create minor league football don't try and make college football in to minor league football
Its truly beyond me why this bothers yall
Posted on 12/16/21 at 12:15 am to TomRollTideRitter
Is this cope post just so you can say you disagree with NIL without feeling like less of a warm blooded American?
There's hardly anything you could call a "free market" if you wanted to nitpick like that. It's obvious that people just mean highest bidder wins recruits and everyone has a seat at the table.
There's hardly anything you could call a "free market" if you wanted to nitpick like that. It's obvious that people just mean highest bidder wins recruits and everyone has a seat at the table.
This post was edited on 12/16/21 at 12:20 am
Posted on 12/16/21 at 1:04 am to VerlanderBEAST
quote:the schools made this choice years ago
don't try and make college football in to minor league football
Posted on 12/16/21 at 2:01 am to WestCoastAg
If the goal was to destroy college football you couldn’t have done it better. “Let’s take the aspects that make it special and get rid of them completely…”
1. Decouple the players from the institutions they represent and turn them into mercenaries.
2. Give them the ability to leave at the drop of a hat at any time with no repercussions.
3. Turn it into moneyball.
Then drop those bombshells in the same offseason. Now the competitive part of college athletics is not controlled by at least a nod towards things like school pride or loyalty, or developing young people to enter into a professional career (which our taxes, tuitions and coaches salaries are supposed to be used for to some degree)…
…. but on a few Jerry Jones’ and Phil Knight’s arbitrary willingness to open up their checkbooks.
Good luck with that product. Why was CFB special again?
1. Decouple the players from the institutions they represent and turn them into mercenaries.
2. Give them the ability to leave at the drop of a hat at any time with no repercussions.
3. Turn it into moneyball.
Then drop those bombshells in the same offseason. Now the competitive part of college athletics is not controlled by at least a nod towards things like school pride or loyalty, or developing young people to enter into a professional career (which our taxes, tuitions and coaches salaries are supposed to be used for to some degree)…
…. but on a few Jerry Jones’ and Phil Knight’s arbitrary willingness to open up their checkbooks.
Good luck with that product. Why was CFB special again?
Posted on 12/16/21 at 2:12 am to TexasTiger08
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D3 athletes in Bama and Auburn unis would still produce a sellout for the game.
How many D3 games have you actually been to? There isn't a chance in hell any team could put 90k-100k in a stadium if FBS went down to D3 level players.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 6:25 am to TomRollTideRitter
OP makes a great point.
Another point is that free market capitalism does not mean that organizations relying on voluntary participation can’t set their own rules for participation.
Another point is that free market capitalism does not mean that organizations relying on voluntary participation can’t set their own rules for participation.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 6:26 am to nola tiger lsu
It's going to destroy college sports
Posted on 12/16/21 at 6:37 am to TomRollTideRitter
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You cannot just pick out an aspect of a command economic system and say that’s the free market because that one aspect contains some free market characteristics.
Uh, you mean like how you can't try to claim that colleges are a "command economy" because they receive random public money?
This is a nuanced/sliding scale argument and NIL is much closer to free market capitalism than your inane argument about colleges being removed from free market capitalism.
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If these athletes’ endorsements are truly valuable, why do they only receive the deals upon signing to play college ball?
Because there is no other option for these kids. I know you think you made this great "gotcha" post, but it's really stupid.
Some of these players have shown recently that they can be funded prior to the NFL without being associated with a college. A great recent example is one Jamar Chase, who was supported by third parties in a life of luxury all of 2020 and none of that support had anything to do with LSU.
If the NFL wasn't anti-competitive and college wasn't this random free minor league, these guys would still have value in the NIL marketplace. The universities are not really a large part of the equation other than being lucky to be part of conferences that became popular 50 years ago.
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